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Went Hot: October 19, 2007 - 9:22 am
Posted By: SEOdisco 261 days ago
Topic Type: News Story (Jump to http://www.wolf-howl.com)
Category: SEO
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Went Hot: October 19, 2007 - 9:22 am
Posted By: SEOdisco 261 days ago
Topic Type: News Story (Jump to http://www.wolf-howl.com)
Category: SEO
18 Comments
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Graywolf!
You need to correct the url in your article from http://mahao.com to http://mahalo.com :-)
"You have a canonical problem, what this means is http://www.mahalo.com and http://mahao.com both work. What you need to do is choose one or the other and 301 redirect the other so you don’t get hit with a duplicate content penalty. Yes search engines should be smart enough to figure it out, but they aren’t."
got it thanks
So, is this good advice? Will it have any impact on our business? I'm not sure that these little tweaks are so big that they will have any impact on the business... which gets to my point that should I spend our time on these little things or focus on writing another 10,000 great pages?
That's a question... we do all this what does it do? Anything?
you write the content for the people, but structure it for the search engines. If the bots can't read the pages they'll never send you traffic. You can absolutely drive traffic through other means, but there are better/easier/more efficient ways.
Think of it this way you can get to work if drive 10 miles and hour and never leave first gear, but you'll get there a lot quicker, and get a lot more done if you go as fast as you can while staying under the speed limit.
Yuri said:
*** A good review, Michael. Though I doubt Jason will fully appreciate it. I don’t remember him fully appreciating Neil’s efforts that got him handsome traffic earlier. ***
You weren't wrong there.
He just doesn't get it.
Jason actually makes a good point and asks a genuine question that is likely for many a business owner. I think the lesson to be learned here is how to convey the value of making those "little tweaks" to a client without spending a lifetime doing so and without destroying the relationship you are working to build.
Michael (graywolf) does a good job of making recommendations (in his East Coast style) but there are many such as Jason (West Coast mindset) thinking... Dude, what's the big deal?
As cliche as it sounds, an SEO will grow by seeking to understand where the non-seo world is coming from and discovering how they view things.
Mike, great article except I really hate your dunk tank idea for an SEO conference. Do you realize how that would just ruin us all? :)
Fighting with Jason is like reading the tabloids - aren't we all sick of it already? Yet I know the next time I go to the supermarket he'll be there waiting for me at the checkout...
"not sure that these little tweaks are so big that they will have any impact on the business... "
Isn't that the point here? You're clueless?
Those "little tweaks" had a great deal to do with improving the usability of your site both from an internal standpoint and from what people will be clicking on from a search result. To dismiss things like that out of hand is taking a very lazy approach to development. Everyone is entitled to do that, it's your site, but if you want to hype it with the press overdrive scenario you have been, it only makes sens to bring your A game. Why do something half-assed in the production environment when you are promoting it like a gleaming white city on the hill? These changes aren't major, simple basic stuff. Is it really too difficult for you to accept that SEO has something to bring to the table, to the detriment of your own projects?
Right on, Terry. Maybe Jason Calacanis should google Jason Calacanis.
While wolf-howl.com outranks mahalo.com/Jason_Calacanis, is there anything to do but listen to the man?
Last time I checked, Michael's blog didn't have millions in VC money behind it.
And Jason, one last tip. The bottom of Mahalo has a "Mahalo Blog" link that takes me to a Red Hat Enterprise Linux Test Page.
IMO Jason is more intelligent than most SEO's who discuss him, precisely because Jason is damn good at ensuring that he is talked about, while some SEO's are obsessed with talking about him, being played like harps.
"OK, I sat through the whole panel. They said very little... you could have gotten the value of this panel by reading a blog post or two on the subject."
It's ironic that Michael Gray is jumping on this since he hardly ever talks about SEO on his blog. Sure, bashing Google post after post makes for a fun read and lots of viral opportunities but I can't remember the last post on wolf-howl I read that gave me anything close to an insight into the heart and soul of SEO.
"they said very little" isn't that far off - I read a ton of SEO blog posts every week, but man is it hard to find something that just grabs me by the balls.
Executing everything that Michael mentioned is just the tip of the iceberg - except when he starts talking about viral marketing - that's when the article actually becomes a worthy read. But even so, paying $199 for that advice is less ROI than paying $30k to have those ideas executed. Ideas are easy and they are everywhere - execution takes skill, time, and sweat.
I enjoyed MG's blog post, a kind of a "There you go you ass, just a few reaons why SEO is a good thing you know nothing douchebag..."
OTOH, Mr Calacanis wins again, here we are blah blah blahing.
All communities like to have a bad guy or two to throws stones at and boo upon. JC seems to be amongst that number of people who like to use Jerry Springer marketing tactics designed to rile us all and want to slap him!
Anybody care to hate me? :D
Nah, I don`t know. Your suggestions are not bad but what you say about other SEOs, I don`t know. The majority of SEOs out there have absolutely no idea what is going on. The majority, not "few".
Again, whether you're JC or an industry professional, those statements are just pointless conjecture unless you have some kind of facts or study to back them up. Have you experiences with the majority SEOs? HAve you had experiences with even an amount that comes anywhere close to a reasonable sample size that would make the statement anything but just blah blah blah?
What irks me, and why I will continue to challenge these assertions every time they are made is that search marketing, SEO, whatever you want to call it is critical, important and quite frankly a pivotal part of any business these days that "has a clue". As long as people continue to use search engines as an integral part of their researching and shopping efforts it will remain important. This industry grows by leaps and bounds and takes business to new heights, we should foster it, help more businesses understand it, and by all means, stop incorrectly perpetuating the retarded notion that it is dominated by shifty snake oil salesmen who communicate to you by spam mail. I mean, hell, I get flat out scam invoicing statements from Time Warner Magazines on a daily basis, should I go ahead and say all print publishing is out to con old people? No, that would make me an ignorant alarmist with no good point.
TheRealTerry, in this particular post, Jason didn't say SEO is bullshit. He said SEOs hardly talk about SEO. I don't need a poll to agree with Jason.
Blogging about blogging or blogging about paid links or blogging about Google is not the government or blogging about the top 10 reasons why top 10 lists still kick ass is not blogging about SEO.
Moreover, Mahalo's problem is not SEO.
It's already got the attention. It's got eyeballs. It's got more traffic than most sites out there. It doesn't need any facebook tricks to "go viral." It had hundreds of bloggers talking about it during launch. It doesn't even need Google traffic.
Mahalo's problem is the crappy concept behind it (and the weird flower logo). I've heard about Mahalo about 100 times already and I haven't gone two clicks into the site because I don't know why I need to be using the site instead of Google. What's the point Jason?
I was referring more to the previous commenter, and well, come to think of it, any comment that starts with the phrase "most SEOs..."
As to Mahalo's SEO, I wouldn't rely on blog posts to maintain a long term inbound link relevancy. Blogs get abandoned or change domains without redirection and other factors at a pretty common rate. Good strategy for sure, but not something to pin your longterm success on.
As to the logo, I for one actually find the graphic design of Mahalo and the hawaiian motif damn good. Then again, I have a fairly extensive collection of hawaiian print shirts, so...