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- Sphinn It!
Posted By: Jill 258 days ago
Topic Type: News Story (Jump to http://searchengineland.com)
Category: Social Media
"Fall is the time of year when we start to look at where search marketing is heading. Looking at the latest search marketing conference agendas, articles, and online news in the SEM space, it certainly appears that social media marketing and networking are the wave of the future."
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This is the type of honest dialog that advances the industy as a whole.
i can't tell you how happy I am that you said these things. It's really easy to get wrapped up in Digg, Sphinn, My$pace, Facebook, etc., and neglect the part that started the whole thing, the website itself.
This is an excellent article and whilst I operate myself in social media spaces I have to constantly maintain an active hand on my SERPS, keyworks and google ranking is my life-line to sales, period.
Was a great read to see your thoughts concur with mine, I've seen the "closed-group" operate daily in the social media space and whilst I love many of the people in in the space I do wonder how they make a living. Of course there are many exceptions but many would be better to nvest their time on traditional SEO for their bizz..
A blended approach is needed, as you say we can't deny the power of social media for movement, but we should blend that with other forms, and not evangelise just the one approach.
Thanks
Chris
I like your analogy about social media efforts being more like hiring a PR firm...
Well done Jill. Whatever the latest "shiny new object" of marketing is generating buzz, it's the tactics that actually generate and build business that warrant attention: like SEO fundamentals and heck, what about fundamental marketing?
SEO, PPC, social media, PR, email, etc are all just tactics, each with an appropriate time and place.
I agree--I see SMM as a complement to SEM, personally. Good article, with excellent points.
Insightful article with thoughts shared by many in the industry. At the same time many others are lead to believe social media is the answer to all their marketing efforts. As Lee mentioned it is just one "tool" in a site's marketing efforts.
I wonder what the next shiny toy will be that everyone will focus their attention on?
Loving this article as well.
I’m starting to see SEO/organic traffic as two different things at this point. SEO related traffic is really traffic that comes from the deliberate design and modification of a website to meet the requirements of the ranking algorithms of major search engines. Organic traffic is people navigating directly to your site, through typing a URL into the address bar or by searching for your company's name in a search engine, because they know your company and they want to go to your site for information or for a service you provide.
Looking at it this way, all of this social media marketing should be looked at from the organic standpoint, which means branding and building awareness of your site/company. I think this is really where social media comes in…a visit from Digg or StumbleUpon might not make you money right away, but it may help build the brand and lead to a sale down the line.
Sure, social media marketing can help with SEO, especially with linking, but like Jill says, it’s no substitute for good fundamentals. That’s why it seems that we should pursue social media with organic traffic/branding/awareness in mind, not so much SEO (any link juice you get will just be a bonus).
Good article, Jill, and this stands out:
"Social media marketing is a great addition to any traditional SEO work that you do, but it's not a substitute."
I see a lot of chatter on SMM on sphinn about how great it is, but call me an old cynic - all I see is people getting excited about traffic - I'm more excited about sales.
Dealing with SMM sure sounds interesting, but I think there's a big disconnect between being talk about, and being bought from, and I rarely see any SMM give any indication that it has become a substitute for marketing in general - merely another specialised niche.
2c. :)
Well said Jill.
Like SEO is a part of SEM, SMM is a subset of the same.
My experience of SMM echo's that of your own, I've gained new subscribers and found that the visitors i had, floated around but didn't stay too long - existing subs and search engine visitors tend to stay longer.
I think you help illustrate that for the moment, there just isn't a substitute out there for query driven traffic, from users in search mode.
The king is dead, long live the king.
Very nice post, Jill. you are very right, SEO and SEM are evolving, increasingly integrating Reputation Management in the mix, leveraging sentiment analysis and other emerging semantic technology applications. I used the term "Reputation Management" instead of "Sentiment Analysis" because I think SA is actually a broader computational linguistic discipline than its online marketing application, including pieces like semantic categorization and tone polarity scoring. This said, it's a powerful tool for online marketers, brand managers, PR agencies, advertising agencies, CPG advertisers, ...
Actually, online advertising is moving away from Search into branding vehicles in relative terms. There is a shift of brand advertising budgets from traditional media to the Web.
In parallel, consumer generated content is exploding and insights are extracted to debate reputation management strategies. I believe Jupiter reported that about 28% of top search engine results come from consumer generated content sites. Elixir says that 39% of the top 100 results are consumer generated. That's a lot of impressions when you consider the value of ranking above the SERP fold. With that, there is also the emergence of "Influence" segmentation. Spending on social media and “conversational marketing” will surpass traditional marketing spending by the end of 2012 (TWI). I guesss someone's going to have measure and justify, right? But how do you measure reputation or sentiment? With these brand dollars, "Engagement" seems to be emerging, the metrics that nobody knows how to define and measure :-)
-arnaud
Yep, I'm with you, Jill. SMM and SEO are not the same but rather separate yet complementary. I think many good SEOs will help themselves by knowing SMM or at least partnering with those that do, since SMM these days can be such a huge help with the SEO space from links to reputation management.
I agree with Jill (and most of the commenters) that SMM can be a good PART of SEO, but it doesn't replace it. Good content is still king. No matter what means people get to your site, if the site is not well written and doesn't reach your target audience what good is it really doing for you? If you are looking for conversion through sales or some form of contact, your site needs to promote that.
Yes definitely an excellent topic. We classify social marketing as a form of search marketing because in automotive, the idea of blog marketing and social marketing are too foreign to be used as strong marketing terms. Search marketing is the hot topic for us right now in automotive and only a small handful of companies are providing forms of blog marketing and social marketing, but they are presented as forms of search marketing. For instance, the Search Marketing page on our website.
Jill - great article on SEL.
When your articles where Stumbled - I would bet also that they were tagged by a fair amount of stumblers which will in turn create for placement for you down the road - that's the great part of social is the USER INPUT.
I agree - you must have your site's "house in order" before embarking on a campaign and SEO is the foundation.
Thanks guys, for all your great comments! Keep 'em coming! I was actually a bit nervous that what I was saying was going to be a huge debate or something (but that turned out to be my paid links article instead ;)
It's great to see that most others realize that SMM is still just part of the SEO/SEM mix. I just really worry for those new to the field when they are bombarded with soooooo much stuff about social media that they will believe that that's what it's all about these days.
I had a consulting client recently who had already gotten themselves totally awesome buzz in their space and actually had more business then they could handle. They were actually asking me about link building stuff they might do, when in fact, there was so much on page stuff yet to be done with their site. (My kinda client!) But they hear so much about links and SMM that they just really didn't even understand how important the onpage stuff was. In their case, their publicity was definitely serving them well as they have more orders than they can handle. But once they ramp things up again, we're going to help them do an on-page campaign that will give them yet again a huge boost in traffic, most likely a long-term one.
This is one of the best articles I have read in a long time. I attended SMX Social Media in NYC last month and left with many conflicting feelings about its worth and whether it truely is 'search.' This article puts it all into perspective. Thanks Jill!
Yes. SEO is mainly tinkering with the site and content.
SMO is just another part of marketing and promotion.
http://sphinn.com/story/11366 also covers some of it.
I agree with you and a few other posters who mention SEO and SMM need to go hand in hand. They are not exclusive but a joint process that yields good results together. It is important to remember that traffic is not necessarily sales.
http://www.massmailsoftware.com/blog/ also covers the subject.