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Published: May 21, 2009 - 01:24 pm
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News Source: http://searchengineland.com
Published: May 21, 2009 - 01:24 pm
Story Found By: netgeek06 1096 Days ago
Category: SEO
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interesting.... thanks
she forgot one of my faves - they forget to password protect the dev server so it gets indexed. Why does SEL not allow comments?
SEL allows comments. I think you have to register tho? Hmm...I thought I had that one in the list, but it must have been a fleeting thought I forgot to write down!
Maybe I am biased...I have been developing web sites for quite some time now both personally and professionaly. And i will say that yes you will find many designers that believe a handfull of this. But, at the same time you will find a handful of (bad) SEOs that agree with them.You will noticed that I emphasized the word designers. Because quite honestly there is a huge difference between a designer & developer. But, more importantly, I don’t think this has to do with whether you are a designer or not, I think it has to do more with your level of understanding of the internet in general. And quite honestly the vast majority of SEOs that I have met that really understand how the Search Engines index and rank data are the ones that come from a development past.Web developers that don’t understand SEO, probably don’t understand the multifaceted complexities of the world wide web/HTTP and other protocols. So therefore I would say if you have a developer that doesn’t understand SEO, you have a bad developer. Fault them for that, and don’t generalize.
Completely agree, Joe!But when writing articles, it’s necessary to generalize. I obviously didn’t mean ALL designers/developers do ALL those things. They are just things I’ve run across through my 14 years in the biz.
I am glad you agree, but I disagree that "it’s necessary to generalize". I would rather read an informative case study of a development/design project that went wrong and affected SEO. Then we can ideify that these issues exist, and talk about ways to move forward when we encounter a bad designer or developer. But to make an assumption that the vast majority or even a small population is bad at SEO because they are designers/developers sets up a road block before you have even encountered the person or their work.
That might be an article for another time. This article was to state the numerous reasons why Designers/Developers do in fact keep SEOs in business. Because if they didn’t do or think the things in the article, there would be no need for SEOs other than for off page work.I for one, am glad that most designers/developers have other things they need to concentrate on rather than SEO so I don’t have to find a new line of work since my main focus is on providing the recommendations to fix those things that weren’t done during the design.
There IS a ton of snake oil in SEO, which makes the legitimate folks like us look bad, too. I wrote up a few actual instances I observed at seogypsy.com-- go check it out and post yours.The main thing is that most SEOs are unaccountable. While I’m not saying that SEO can be done on a revshare, few SEOs follow rankings to traffic to conversions to margin.
<div>Freakin awesome post, Jill :-)</div><div></div><div>Thanks</div><div></div>
Awesome atricle Jill. Thanks. :)
This is so max! Thanks for the article. My favorite customers are people who do not understand that Google cannot read photos of a menu. Google only sees TEXT!
<!-- @page { margin: 2cm } P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm } --> That is such a lazy article. At the very least Jill Whalen could have written a proper introduction.Some questions: Is this the opinion of one web designer / developer (Is anybody really that stupid!), or is it the sort of issues that she has faced over a long career in SEO? Have webdesigners become more savvy to the needs of SEO over the years? Why is that web design / developers are that ignorant about such an important part of the web creation process? Is it the fault of the colleges or is it the fault of the SEO industry itself that is more intent on publishing belittling articles than any series dialogue? Is it the case that the professional industry is fine with SEO but (like SEO itself!) there are too many happy amateur web designers that charge cheaply and deliver little?
@TCotton I’m sorry you thought the article was "lazy" but it is what it is, and was simply intended to be a list. I don’t typically write that sort of article, and it was fun for a change to do something different. That said, you had some very interesting questions. Here are my answers:is it the sort of issues that she has faced over a long career in SEO?That’s exactly what it is. These were all the issues I could think of that I’ve faced at one time or another.Have webdesigners become more savvy to the needs of SEO over the years?Some have, some haven’t. It is surprising to see just how many haven’t. I have seen a number of the things on my list happening still very recently.Why is that web design / developers are that ignorant about such an important part of the web creation process? That I couldn’t say. One would think that in 2009 SEO would not be an afterthought when designing a site, but that it would be "baked in." Unfortunately for the client who ends up with such a website, in many cases it’s not.Is it the case that the professional industry is fine with SEO but (like SEO itself!) there are too many happy amateur web designers that charge cheaply and deliver little?While I believe that is part of it, many of the problems I’ve seen with websites in terms of their crawler-friendliness came from IT departments in mid-size companies. Not sites developed by one-man bands.
Very berliant and deep thinking. I fell too much happy to read all reasonsThanks & Regards
Amen to that. Thanks Jill :)As for "designers vs. developers" ... SEO-wise that’s discussing the difference between werse and worse.
This so funny, true and perfect for emailing some people ;-)I thought I would not see this anymore, but 2 days ago I saw a local Web company offering bi-weekly and monthly search engine submission services. I was shocked; i thought even the ignorant knew better.
I see SE submission packaged into many SEO firms’ on-page SEO service(s) - it’s not all that isoloated instance as you’d expect it to be.Many ’SEO’ firms will continue to beat on insignificant subjects such as SE submission (it sounds like a hard task), on-page keyword density analysis (it sounds so important!!!!!!), meta tag analysis (it sounds so complicated!!!!!), etc....because the general-public does not see enough articles like this :-P I remember reading an article sometime last year, an article about Google/SEO from one of the major daily-news publication site - they referred to SEO as meta tags and keyword copies (granted they did mention inbound links...so not all was lost ^_^). That is article executives and managers will read - not this article. Shame.It’s not all bad though...as Jill said, that’s why we get to keep our jobs :-PGreat Article Jill.
Yep and yep! It’s why most people think that SEO is submitting and meta tags.Sad thing is that even seemingly reputable sites and companies do still tout those things which is just ridiculous. Heck, we’re nearly into the 2nd decade of the 21st century. Maybe things will get better in 2010...
Nice work man… These were exactly the same points that I had kept in mind while deciding to choose a web designing company for website for my cardiology clinic in Los Angeles. I have hired a web designing company, who is having a proficiency in medical website designs named Medical web Experts. Including the points you have specified, one of the important thing that I considered is the amount of experience they had in website design, and especially in medical website design. They are currently working on the website. But I hope this effort would help me bring patients attention towards my clinic. [removed link drop - Jill]
i can’t get those minutes of someone mindlessly bitching because of a failure to communicate back.. blah