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Went Hot: November 19, 2007 - 2:08 pm
Posted By: igorthetroll 292 days ago
Topic Type: News Story (Jump to http://www.travelinasia.net)
Category: Google SEO
Read the inductive analysis on the SpeedTrap.
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Ahhhhhh, this is why Black Hat SEO is so damn appealling. Imagine your BIG DAY, you finally strike a vein of golden news and get like 400 backlinks in one day and BANG - suddenly you're in the sandbox. Who needs that crap?
It was the same with Paypal. Even if you told them in advance that you were running a big sale that would likely generate over $20k on the first day, they'd automatically shut you down "for review" once you hit like $15k in one day.
I understand these companies need to protect themselves but they should still be more forthcoming about how a long-sought, hard-earned payoff could actually hurt you... even if unintenitonally....
Sam there is nothing new about Google Sandbox.
Here is a perfect example of a Google Sandbox. (I was in first position for the past two months)
http://www.google.com/search?q=igor+the+troll
As you can see Aaron's Seobook.com ranks before www.igorthetroll.com eventhough I got many links to my domain in the past 30 days.
Google alorithm still needs adjustmants to be able to asertain natural link building and link manipulation building...how they going to do it its the Google engeneers job.
I did not Spam Google with manipulated link building, all I did was comment on differnet blogs, but compared to last month it was a much higher amout of links.
If I keep commenting I will be Sandboxed even more...
So Google rewards Website for not being popular....weird!
Sam, you can gain as much SM links as you want without getting penalized by Google. Don't buy this myth. Such spikes might fire back when a site's link profile is pretty much artificial as a whole, but when you've "natural" inbounds too it doesn't hurt. Just don't expect that Google counts all those links on the long haul, but in general those links do help.
Sebastian, what is unatural about my site?
I only have two pages..:)
So, Google is going to penalize us just because our sites got too popular?
Sebastian is right, otherwise you could just take out your competitors by pointing a bunch of artifical links at them all the sudden. If your link profile is 99.9% junk, and the .1% is off topic, then you are going to rightfully receive bad rankings. But I've seen sites that have 300 good links and 30,000 crap links do just as well as a site with only 300 good links.
If just the presence of lots of quick links was an albatross all by itself, I'd be digging the crap out of everyone else every hour on the hour, and so would everyone else.
The Google Sandbox is almost 4 years old - and this is news???
jBrian, Google Sandbox, is not news in itself, but it usually aplies to new sites. It takes a new site long time to get into the index, because when people first link to it Google sees that as manipulation.
So expanding on it, any age site, when a inbound linking patern is different than regular the site goes into a Sandbox.
So, yes, you can hurt your competetor by SpeedLinking to their site!
Hmmm, I still think "speedlinks" would have to exist alone without any other pattern of good linking. In my own experience I had an accidental speedlinking of irrelvant inbounds happen alongside my legit linking strategy. Basically a buddy of mine said, "hey, I'll give you a link from my site" when I launched a new personal project. I was already underway getting non reciprocal, on topic links from established sites the old fashioned way (just asking), but the next thing I knew he had put a simple link on the template of his massive hundreds of thousands of pages multi-site network for an entirely different topic. I have about 500 great on topic hard earned links, including some .GOVs ,alongside about 20,000-30,000 relatively junk spammy links (I did appreciate the sentiment though :) )
I never went into a sandbox and the site currently ranks somewhere around #9-#12 in Google for a broad highly competitive term. My observations seem to tell me that if anything, Google just ignores those links and values me based on the 500 good links, and backlink reports seem to support that. Initially those thousands of links were listed as inbound but over time they have dropped out, though my rankings have all along steadily climbed.