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Later decide maybe that wasn't the smartest move to do so on an A-list blog? Well, ok, that's fine too.
Try to cover your tracks later by saying you were just kidding...?
Not so fine.
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why in the world would you out something like that? And yeah, I call BS on the "tongue in cheek" defense.
Surely there are other methods to prevent spam (nofollow is the worst of all, IMHO) and Danny would know about them and share them with Wired (and his readers)?
I can see this will be a long weekend of apologizing, but we did bad. First, what I posted on Michael's blog, which doesn't appear to be showing due to moderation:
Aside from that, I recommend reading comments I've left in other Sphinn threads below both on the issues of spam fighting and assorted apologies:
http://sphinn.com/story/22633
http://sphinn.com/story/22758
Danny, I approved your comment of course. I also replied.
Thanks, Michael -- also posted a follow-up, which I'll also include here:
I replied again, Danny. I'm thinking maybe what you were originally picturing when you saw the situation just isn't what made it into the article.
I did go back and reread the original article. I think the "Get A Free Link From Wired" headline alone screamed out "fix this" to anyone who knows how user generated content places will get spammed. We also pointed out the reason we found the wiki was because of a spam page that brought us there.
If I were going to do it over again, we probably should have talked to someone at Wired about how they fight spam, gotten some opinions on the the use of nofollow or not and other measures to fight it -- if we were going to do it at all.
I might still do something as a follow up -- a more thoughtful look at the use of nofollow and other type of policing within user generated content. If you take JohnWeb, he talks about trying to apply it in intelligent ways. Here, we use it on default for comments but have discussed it going away for more trusted members -- and we don't use it on story links themselves, because we think there's a higher degree of trust. When Wikipedia went nofollow, it was the same thing -- I argued that maybe there could be a more selective way of applying it.
Interestingly, even Wired is mixed on what should happen. Curious, I did a search there on nofollow. When Wikipedia went nofollow, they had one writer say:
"I'd argue that Wikipedia should remain completely open and that it should continue to pay out to the same community it benefits from: the web. Yes, policing links is a lot of work, but humans are surprisingly good at finding solutions to difficult problems. A technological solution to this problem must exist."
But another writer said in the same week, on the same blog:
"Wikipedia’s decision to use the nofollow attribute in outbound links may deter some of the link spam since having a link with nofollow doesn’t help page rank which is the spammers main goal.
The rel="nofollow" attribute was in fact designed for exactly the reasons that Wikipedia has implemented it. Google recommends the tag be used in any situation where users may post public links that cannot be trusted, such as wiki-style editable pages or blog comments....
But most of these criticisms don’t hold much water, particularly the shrill cries of but-we-made-you-what-you-are from bloggers threatening to add nofollow attributes to all their Wikipedia links.
If I remember right, links were created for humans to get from one page to another, so regardless of what Wikipedia’s links may mean for page rank, the links still serve their intended function."
Danny... if someone were to write a high quality resource page for that Wiki, and liked to a site that supported the information within that article, and the existence of the article actually contributed to the wiki... would that be spam? In your opinion, should links under those circumstances be nofollowed?
Mike, it's not an issue of what should be nofollowed or not. It's an issue of leaving pages open to being spammed. Nofollow is a deterrant; not perfect and not endorsed by everyone. Human monitoring is another. So is user registration.
A system that lets anyone create a page, gain anchor text and sits on a high authority, high trafficked domain is more vulnerable to being spammed and needs more defense.
In terms of applying nofollow, that's up to the particular sites. One issue I have with nofollow is how it indeed can rob link credit from sites that deserve it. I have another article I've been working up on this for some time that I need to finish. So in your situation -- good content, meeting the guidelines of the site itself? Why wouldn't you want to pass the authority of that site across the link, assuming you trust the content and the link.
FYI, I've posted a fresh standalone apology: An Apology To Wired & The Search Marketing Community. Also cross-linking in various related Sphinn threads.