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Went Hot: January 24, 2008 - 9:41 pm
Posted By: annie7 228 days ago
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Category: Other Search Marketing
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Went Hot: January 24, 2008 - 9:41 pm
Posted By: annie7 228 days ago
Topic Type: News Story (Jump to http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com)
Category: Other Search Marketing
15 Comments
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Content creation my ass.
It's called scraping and copyright infringement.
Honestly, I can't believe some of the Sphinners on the list promoting this scraping shit to the front page but I'm really not surprised and it gives a big insight into the lack of morals of this crowd.
And you all wonder how SEO gets it's reputation.
Now move your little cursor over and click "Vote -" if that'll make you feel better about yourself.
Alright Bill. Allow me to play ball here.
1)Sphinn seems at least to me, to have a pretty decent reputation, minus a few circles(like where we had our original flamewar-esque conversation)
2)At what point is something an original creation? If you can't find a single 3 word string that's available from a site that "scraped" for data that's on my site, do me a favor and explain how that's copyright infringement? All scraped sites are for in this(in most instances) is something to gather statistics on language around that particular niche.
3)If you read more carefully, you'd see that many of the suggested content sources are no longer under copyright or are freely reproducable.
4)As for why sphinners sphinn this, I doubt 99% of them are honestly planning on doing it. It's a educational read. Some food for thought. And in some cases, I wouldn't be surprised if their primary interest was them trying to figure out how to prevent their own content from being used. Don't read into it so shallowly; there's a lot of uses for information.
"Sphinn seems at least to me, to have a pretty decent reputation"
It does until something like this hits the home page which flaunts tactics that encourage people to steal from legit webmasters.
If SEO has the bad reputation as every other Sphinn post would lead you to believe then this is the icing on the cake.
"At what point is something an original creation?"
How about when you sit down and create it your own self instead of ripping it off from others?
If someone works many hours writing on something it's not there for you to scrape, jumble and rank (sounds like a song title).
"no longer under copyright or are freely reproducable"
That's a nice dodge but you and I both know scrapers scrape from any content that has high rankings, not public domain crap.
"there's a lot of uses for information."
Ah yes, jumbling text has many uses so if you aren't scraping and use your own text then it's search engine spam. much better.
1)Ok. It's a topic that is interesting to SEOs. A sphinn doesnt mean they'll use it, and most won't. For instance, dosh sphunn it. Do you think dosh will sphinn content? I sure as hell don't. Probably upwards of 60% of the things I personally sphinn I will not use myself. But I find them interesting, and think others will too.
2)I believe you just read some content I created myself. I'm not going to sit and argue the ethics of BH yet again. I will say however, that my BH sites direct people more accruately than a lot of whitehat ones. On PPC ads for BH sites, I'm riding a 20% CTR(aka they found it useful) and for affiliate programs 1:75-1:50(a level comparable to many whitehat affiliate efforts, especially when a CC is required).
What I will also say, is that be glad people are generating content rather than a carbon copy that will hurt you with dupe content.
3)Some scrapers do scrape from high ranking sites, some scrapers don't. Ideally, someone keeps their data in a mysql database of ALL their content, so when possible it's not using other sites data.
4)I did not say "jumbling text" had a lot of uses, I said info in the article has many uses. Amongst them protection against it, much like the software you yourself are creating. If you didn't have a good understanding of scrapers do you think you could create your anti scraper software? No, you couldn't. You yourself are an example of one of the variety of ways this information is useful.
You know why you get a 20% CTR?
It's because the page is full of nonsensical crap and the only thing on the page that makes any sense are the PPC ads themselves so people click on them to escape that oh-so-useful garbage landing page.
Don't even bother trying to defend it with being educational for anti-scrapers because we wouldn't need to worry about anti-scraping if the slimy underbelly of the scraping web didn't exist in the first place.
That logic is right up there with explaining why teaching people how to burgle houses is educational so you know why there are locks on doors and windows.
Alright.
There is no generated content on my PPC page. Come on now, that's not sloppy. What, you think I'm using adsense? For shame bill!
While telling the average person how to burgle houses is not a good idea, it is a good idea to tell the people who design the houses(perhaps a glass front door is not a good idea in the nastiest part of a big city for example), and the people who design the alarms how to burgle.
On the flip side of the coin, if we just executed all burglars (hackers), both serious resource drains on society, we could save tons of money on locks and security systems.
It always boils down to the lazy people that feel entitled to things that don't belong to them to make a buck, on or offline, that make life miserable for everyone else and there you are fueling that fire.
And so the argument descends.
As soon as someone mentions "exevuting" in a debate like this, you know you've done something right. They're out of proper arguments.
If we executed speeders, we would save money on traffic police.
If we executed drunks, we'd also save moneey on policemen.
If we executed pot smokers, we'd save money on police and jails(although the cheetos stock would take a dive)
Shit, if we executed 98% of the population, think of the money we'd save!
Ugh.
And it doesn't make life miserable for you or anyone else. 99% of the time, people don't even realize their data is being used. And besides, it's 1 word at a time. It's damn data analysis(for markovs at least). So how could that make them miserable?
Yeah yeah yeah....
Just tell that to the people I bitch slapped with a DMCA yesterday that had their site down all day.
If you jumble it, I slap the host with an AUP violation.
As a matter of fact, the techniques used to get the data bypassing server blocks on bots may be illegal
oohooh
Abuse the DMCA if you must.
And some hosts don't have an AUP.
Either way, best of luck in your battle with scrapers. I look forward to that contest you talked about awhile back..
I thought I found someone using markov chains once. Turns out they'd just outsourced their content writing to India.
Are you think to buy Life Insurance? STOP! It can be expensive if not shop around!
"And some hosts don't have an AUP."
Well, those fine quality hosts without an AUP speak volumes about those that host there and their intent.
I'm calling out SlightlyShadySEO to write an SEO blog post using markov chains :).
Hahahaha. Well, I've begun working on a decent markov engine, so we shall see. ;-)
Although who's to say I haven't been....