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I was in Sphinn, voting and learning as usual. And I came across this post written by someone that goes by the name Rashil. She had submitted this same topic at some point before the present post in reference. Of course she added a bit more to the present post, although not substantially so.

She wrote the post in question and submitted it to Ann Smarty’s site (considered to be an “A-list” blogger) I am not going into details about the post here.
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from bwelford 2378 Days ago #
Votes: 2

A good cause, Kimberly, and one that we all need to work on, whatever our position on the totem pole.  I go solely by titles, so if someone wants to get my attention, then have a creative title.  I’m not concerned by who started the sphinn entry or who is supporting, it’s the content that counts. 

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from Ruud 2378 Days ago #
Votes: 5

All true but simply human nature. Research shows that changing the name on a paper to indicated another gender or culture can change the way that paper is reviewed and graded. And of course there are voting clubs. Far beyond marketing or whatever, this too is human behavior. It’s not wrong. Example: I know Barry (bwelford) from Cre8asite Forums so a submission by him will draw my attention. The reverse might be true too.Where it gets iffy is when that is enough to vote. I think most people will look at the submission before voting.As for myself, that’s how I work: I "know" from certain people what to expect, what quality and topic their submissions use to be. I use that as a filter, then check the article, then vote. Often I have already seen/read the submitted article in Google Reader and I simply vote w/o reading it again :)The main reason, I think, why a good number of quality posts go lost is attention spam. When I see a list of articles submitted by people I don’t know, all with 1 or 2 votes ... it is hard to spot the good ones. The news filter part is not working for me at that time; instead I have to do that work.So, a free tip: if you feel you’re an unknown blogger or if you’re trying to "break in", it might help if you can get someone well known on a social site to submit your article.

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from annie7 2378 Days ago #
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1. I do not consider myself ’A-lister’;2. Hello!? This is me - Kim was one of my first social friends when I was just starting a blog and she should remember that I was among those newcomers you are talking about only 1-2 months ago- therefore I was talking based on my own recent experience. Only because I am a newbie I feel I have the right to say that it is fair and Sphinn is an excellent place to discover newbies like myself.You cannot enter a new niche (even with excellent thoughts and ideas) and get noticed in a day - yes! that’s life and that’s what I think is really fair. You have to prove you are good by being consistent and by working hard. Life is not easy, I am sorry to say this, but it isn’t - and do you really think that’s not fair?Yes, I read (and vote for) posts submitted by everyone - but I do have more trust in ’A-listers’ as you put it because they earned my trust - just like I had to earn the trust of many people who vote for my posts.

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from theGypsy 2378 Days ago #
Votes: 5

(copy of my comments on Kim’s post)I have no idea who is handing out the A Lister – B Lister titles and could care less. My misguided mate Gabs once called me a Top 20 persons to watch at Sphinn, a graciously generous Guru said I was a top blogger you’ve never heard of and a confused collective labelled me a social media Ninja – so freakin what? I hang them with my rubber chicken nomination out in the coup. I think it’s silly to consider, I am simply having fun and enjoying myself (it doesn’ pay the bills ya know)This is SOCIAL media… heavy on the social and not so much on the media. That is why this type of phenomenon exists as you well know my folks. It is not about the biased editorial practices of a wayward media outlet, this is all about the community – if they want a fair shake, start your own pligg site. Complaining seems fruitless...I read and Sphinn what strikes me and often I am drawn to people with like minded interests to mine… those are my mates, thus I trust and enjoy their submissions. As for myself, I have nearly 200 submissions and can say I have drawn from a wide variety of blogs/sites in that time. Unfortunately I can only keep so many feeds in my reader and if a newB wants me submitting their stuff… they simply need to get my attention as more than a few folks have. I can’t submit that that which I don’t know exists.Forget all of this silly talk of A Listers and simply start making friends and networking… it is, after all – social media :0)

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from Ruud 2378 Days ago #
Votes: 5

"you know what the "A" in "A list" stands for, don’t you? ;-)"-- Robert Scoble on Twitter

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from AbleReach 2378 Days ago #
Votes: 1

LOL Ruud.  Thanks for my first genuine Sphinn belly laugh EVER.

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from theGypsy 2377 Days ago #
Votes: 0

@ Ruud - he he... well hell, maybe I am an A-Lister after all.. who knew?

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from SpostareDuro 2377 Days ago #
Votes: 0

I didn’t even know Martin had submitted this. Thanks Martin. :-)My intentions are not to scoff and gripe about wrongdoing. It simply to bring up newb awareness. If we are aware that the "A’s" aren’t the only way to make it to Sphinns frontpage, then we can begin to break free of the inclination to backscratch A listers as opposed to strengethening our own identities and relationships here. LEARNING from what the A listers have to offer is one thing. And we certainly should not refrain from voting up an A listers submission out of some sort of cry baby crap for not giving us attention. But we need to acknowledge that just because something becomes typical does not mean it cannot be revised. It only takes 22 Sphinns to hit the frontpage. FOR ANYONE. If it’s good, WHOEVER you are, you only need 20 more. The first one will be the one that’s given automatically upon submission. The second one is coming from me.

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from annie7 2377 Days ago #
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@SpostareDuro: you did choose a ’good’ way to say what you are now saying you meant... attacking me for giving ’A-listers’ the priority and putting yourself into position of ’defending’ the ’non-A-listers’:"In essence, I feel that Annie was suggesting that we just deal with the fact that the A-listers have the floor, whether you have beautiful content or not..."No, I wasn’t and please before making such judgements, try to first see anyone else’s point...

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from SpostareDuro 2377 Days ago #
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No Annie..you had it right the first time. Although it was not an attack, merely an observation.

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from theGypsy 2377 Days ago #
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Kim ..once again, such is the nature of SOCIAL media, if you want regular media, submit to an Article Repository. Go look at my early submissions, when I only knew a handful of folks here (from pre-sphinn days)... not much went hot. Even now I am only batting around 28%... that mean I should wine cause the other cool kids are over 50%? Do I care? No.... I come here to share stories I find interesting and chat now and again... make new friends... find new goodies for my feedreader... etc..If I was here for my freakin ego, I’d be feeling insecure about who shunn my stuff or IF it went HOT. In truth, if ONE person enjoys my find, I am a happy guy. I am simply sharing that which I enjoyed reading... I thought you and I talked about this silly ego crap last week? Folks that are here for ego are misguided.... it is SOCIAL MEDIA.... notthin more... start being social and stop worrying about going HOT..ugh.. :0)Peace.... outties....

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from SpostareDuro 2377 Days ago #
Votes: -1

http://learningseobasics.com/archives/339

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from billslawski 2377 Days ago #
Votes: 1

I really enjoy Sphinn as a source of discovery for new blogs and new voices.  I don’t have a chance to read every post made here at sphinn, so I primarily look for a title that attracts my attention.  As Barry notes, it’s the content that counts.

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from crazycat 2377 Days ago #
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As long as the posts are helpful, informative and essential. Then, it deswerves to be sphunn.

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from itravin 2377 Days ago #
Votes: 0

I am kind of the newcomer in question here.. been just 2 days.. leaving that fact aside I think it finally boils down to what people are on sphinn for.. if most people are here with the whole idea to become a super sphinner to generate an "A list" image to finally drive traffic then the  "herd mentality" of the top guys being sphinned more can’t be avoided..on the other hand if the majority have a clear perspective about why they are here, and if it is primarily to be part of a larger community and contribute as well as benefit to its holistic view point then no matter what is submitted or sphunn.. it will generate the desired result.. if this is what most sphinn public wants then those who are in a position of influence will have to work that extra little bit to promote sphinn in that direction ... rather than showing it in a light other than what sphinn is...

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from werebu 2376 Days ago #
Votes: 2

I strongly believe that the title is what matters the most, not who wrote the article. On the other side, if all of you guys and gals who commented here were my close friends I would always vote for your story no matter how bad it was. This is why people have friends, to help each other out. Sasha T.

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from Chris1 2376 Days ago #
Votes: 1

For me, the issue isn’t whose story goes hot and whose doesn’t... its the fact that great stories (from unknow submitters and blogs) often get buried while a lot of mediocre stuff goes hot based on who submitted and what site the content was posted on.I have only been a user of a few social media sites, but in my limited experience Sphinn voting seems to cater to top submitters and sites a lot more than what I usually see.

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from DanThies 2376 Days ago #
Votes: 3

If the system really allows multiple submissions of the same thing, that’s probably worth a review... but I haven’t got much cheese to go with this otherwise. None of us has time to sort out what’s "fair." We’re looking for items of interest and trying to reward the creators of that content (not the Sphinners) with a vote.When I’m scanning a list of 50 headlines, a good headline might stop me down, but I can guarantee you that my eyes will stop and I will read, when I see a familiar "face." It’s an involuntary reflex - when I see that DoshDosh avatar, I’m conditioned to expect something useful sitting next to it.How do you get to be a familiar face? Well, post useful items more often than not, and do it often enough that we see your face. If you use the default avatar, that’s on you. If you Sphinn your own stuff, stick to the really good stuff. If you’re in doubt about whether it’s good enough to Sphinn, then let someone else do it.(Ruud, Scoble’s comment may have redeemed Twitter for me...)

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from smallbiztrends 2376 Days ago #
Votes: 0

As a newbie here I go with (1) titles, and (2) what’s on the home page here at Sphinn.What’s on the home page is probably the biggest influencer that makes the "big get bigger."  I have to keep reminding myself to go visit the new page because it’s less visible.In fact, it’s the law of increasing returns.  On the Web the big get bigger.  It’s self-reinforcing. The more visibility some sites and names get, the bigger they get  It makes it ever harder for the up-and-comers to be seen.That doesn’t mean articles are getting sphunn JUST because the sites are well-known. Of course not.  Most sites got well-known for a reason in the first place.  Same with the well-known Sphinners here.  If they didn’t do something remarkable or worthy in the first place, they wouldn’t have developed such good reputations.But occasionally it does happen that marginal stuff gets much more attention than it merits just because it comes from a well-known source.  And lesser stuff goes under-appreciated because of the inverse reason.My two cents as an active observer here and elsewhere on the Web.

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from stillwagon428 2376 Days ago #
Votes: 0

I myself just scan quickly over the titles and read the articles that jump out at me.  I too am new here, so blogger or submitter has no bearing on my choices.  We all have very limited time, so I think the eye catching titles are key.

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