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two people desphunn tads twitter post.
http://sphinn.com/story/43513
reasons for desphinning:

#1 desphinner streko: "stop the insanity! desphunn because this is getting out of hand."

he is suggesting that twitter is discussed too much. then what does he do? he turns around and submits HIS OWN twitter post!
http://sphinn.com/story/43540

#2 desphinner seohack: "its not even funny. has nothing to do with twitter or seo really. its just a list to other well written articles."

yes, I commented on streko’s post. no i did not desphinn. i didn’t feel like hanging out on the lower deck. (was there. didn’t care for it.)

my comments in strekos post commentary:
"streko and seohack seem to enjoy creating drama and negtivity i see.

streko: some would like to refer to posts with various reference articles as a ’resource’. there will be plenty of people that read his post and be glad they had this ’resource’ list in such a neat and tidy package. he easily addresses those who may not already understand the social / professional benefits, pros, cons of using twitter. you desphunn a resource. http://sphinn.com/story/43513 by saying it is getting out of hand!

get used to the word twitter. get used to plenty of articles that refer to twitter. or google. or seo. or blogging. or social media. or digg. or stumbleupon. or mixx. or youtube. or search. or marketing. or ppc. or everything else that is dicussed here on a 24 hr basis. if you dont like it, why are you here? no one asked you to sphinn every post that is not of interest to you. but you shouldnt be defiling the desphinn system just because you dont like a topic discussed. especially if it is of high quality!

seohack: you just admitted in this commentary that tads post was twiter twitter twitter..but you desphunn it saying it was not about twitter at all! thats defiling the desphinn system and what it is designed to address. its like spamming as far as i am concerned."

there was plenty of discussion about the possibility of desphinn being abused.

http://sphinn.com/story/23311
http://sphinn.com/story/27933
http://sphinn.com/story/28009
http://sphinn.com/story/33339

can we at least return to the 2 to 1 ration please? i fear that 1 to 1 is going to be further abused in the future.
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from onreact 3851 Days ago #
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Yeah, important issue. The "vote down" or "bury" feature messes up every social news site. I’ve seen it on several. Voting down is done in most cases by people who do not contribute much or are on some kind of war path. I’ve seen it on Mixx, SU, Digg, German "Digg" (where they experimented with several negative voting options). Also there is much mob mentality in it. When the first votes down others will soon follow, if there’s a reason or not.

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from streko 3851 Days ago #
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@ SpostareDuroDesphunn this pointless post, because you are making this into drama - why are you posting something that you have already said in comments - not anything that was said back. All you just did is cut and paste the comments from two of those posts.  But left out my replys.  I can understand that this "drama attention" this post is going to get is probably very exciting.  But you are making this out to be alot more then it is.

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from bwelford 3851 Days ago #
Votes: 4

Please can we stop just calculating the net Sphinn score (Sphinns - some factor x Desphinns). Whatever factor is used, it doesn’t work very well.  Base everything on total gross Sphinns but show the number of Desphinns as well with the same visibility.  We don’t need these ongoing debates.

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from SpostareDuro 3851 Days ago #
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streko, you are obviously still very unaware of proper use of categories as well as the voting system here. either that or you do not care. nevertheless, this post is considered to be a ’Sphinnzone" post category. Sphinnzone is for Sphinn only issues..one of those issues is desphinning at present. which you just so happened to have inspired. your desphinning of this post is further proof that this post is also very valid in its concerns. if people are allowed to desphinn upon whim or out of disinterest in a particular area or out of boredom with a topic, or even SPITE, then it is going to be abused as you are doing right now.I posted this BEFORE you provided any response in your posts commentary. and the only reason that the comments i made there were copy/pasted here, was to make it more convenient for others to view when reading THIS post. furthermore, i do said my peace on your post, and have no intention of continuing an argument with you. i am addressing admin and other sphinners, making them aware of the fact that desphinn abuse has already begun, and as tad says will likely only get worse as gang mentality increasingly sees its availability. the 1 to 1 desphinn / sphinn ratio is scary indeed. ;-(Barry: yes i agree, it doesnt work! its the same as inviting troll activity as is in SU.

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from billslawski 3851 Days ago #
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I think that it is important for a community to look at the way that votes carefully, and how their votes matter.I believe that in at least one of the threads about the Desphinn function, Danny noted that they would be looking back at how well or poorly Desphinn was working after some time had passed.  I don’t know if that has been done.It can be helpful to listen to people who are involved heavily in a number of social media sites, and who pay careful attention to how they work, like SpostareDuro and onreact.  Does the Desphinn function help or hurt?  Is the ability to vote down posts, based upon factors that have little to do with the original sphinn or the content of the source pointed towards help the community?   Is Desphinning a post because you don’t like the topic (twitter, in this case, which is relevant to what sphinn covers) rather than because of the quality of the post or content really something that we want to see?    Isn’t that a little like burying posts at Digg because the source site is from someone involved in SEO?

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from streko 3851 Days ago #
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@SpostareDuro you should go for a walk, its a nice day outside - atleast in nyc it is.

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from SpostareDuro 3851 Days ago #
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haha..even my comments on my own post is getting voted down!..had been voted up..haha.. spiteful..proof proof proof that desphinn is faulty

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from theGypsy 3851 Days ago #
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alas I have but one hand to give.. he he..no ranting today..

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from streko 3851 Days ago #
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this post needs... ...more cow bell.

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from SpostareDuro 3851 Days ago #
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sry about your hand dave! i feel terrible for you. i guess healing will take a while too. unfortunate break, but am looking forward to seeing you on a reg rant again soon. ;-)

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from seowoman 3851 Days ago #
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Are we really going to get this worked up when a post gets 2 whole Desphinns? For serious? You’d think we would all have thicker skin here, considering what people say about us on other social networks.

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from streko 3851 Days ago #
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@seowoman - that is the best thing that has been & probably will be, said in this thread.

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from Syzlak 3851 Days ago #
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SpostareDuro said...i didn’t feel like hanging out on the lower deck. (was there. didn’t care for it.)But that’s where the best seats are!!!

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from SpostareDuro 3851 Days ago #
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seowoman: this is not about 2 desphinns. it is the abuse of the desphinning option that is noted here. it begins with 2, then increases to more when others see it is avalailable to abuse. the case in point, is merely to show that if a particular topic can be desphunn simply because its a topic discussed too frequently, then we wouldnt have any content at all in sphinn, because everything under the sun that is submitted here is a different variation of the same things over and over. in fact, im sure if i visited YOUR site right now, 99% of the topics there have been previosly discussed somehwere else on someone elses pages as well. should i not vote yours up, stumble it, mixx it, digg it, or otherwise show it favor because its rehashed? or is it still valuable quality information that you are providing? hmmm, how many SMX’s and various conferences discuss the same topics frequently? How did any of us learn SEO? SMM? SM? Blogging? Link building? Copywriting? was it because we read one post on each from one persons position? no, each person had a different perspective or valuable resource to offer, we read them, we believed, we’re here to vote on its quality or lackthereof. not its repetition.Quality should equal to a sphinn/desphinn. not the mere fact that someone thinks something is talked about too much. ESPECIALLY when the two particular desphinners in question for this event, a) lied b) submitted the same repetitious post that was desphunn in the first place. this is the beginning of abuse. let a man rape, rob, murder, steal, and otherwise take what he wants when he wants it..and it will always be repeated, like a child who quickly learns that his tantrums are not only not penalized, but supported. is sphinn willing to gain that sort of rep? we’ll see. maybe so..maybe not. i am just concerned and i guess ill have to deal with being spanked instead of being seen for its importance to the future of sphinn. it wasnt MY post that got depshunn. it wasnt MY traffic or any sort of kudos had it not hit the frontpage..but i just so happen to be the one that sees something destructive developing and i am also not alone in that belief. spank me if you will. im used to being the underdog..but mark my words..desphinn bad.

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from streko 3851 Days ago #
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@SpostareDuro you should go for a walk, its a nice day outside - atleast in nyc it is. x2

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from SpostareDuro 3851 Days ago #
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How to masticate a granule fish: 1 - Have a peanut then dandelion a cow. 2 - Being careful not to jump, fry a turnip. 3 - Ubiquitously having eaten a dry can not see. 4 - Then show envelopes to your neighbours and say "juggling ball". 5 - Remember to be upsidedown to have a parasol sky in your head. Thankyou for reading this. If you reach this sentence, then know that your are very *f. Not as *f as me, hopefully tree.

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from streko 3851 Days ago #
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more cowbell?

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from SEOhack 3851 Days ago #
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okay, so i’ve been likened to a spammer, a rapist, a robber, a murderer and liar.  see you all around.

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from dannysullivan 3850 Days ago #
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To date, we’ve not seen desphinn abused in my opinion. And we’ve had it for some time.I find it hard to get concerned about two desphinns as "abuse" on a post that still went hot. Nothing is perfect, but the concern seems to be that the desphinns were somehow "wrong" and if not corrected, might have prevented that story or other from going hot. Like I said, that doesn’t seem to be the case.As the moment, we’re actually reviewing the entire underlying software that Sphinn uses, so we’re not in a position to be dramatically changing how it works -- nor, as I’ve said, do I see it as a problem right now.When we start on bringing up the improved software, we’ll have to review each feature, including desphinn, so we might decide how we need to deal with it more then.I’m closing this conversation, by the way, because frankly it’s devolved into some name calling, and none of the mods have time to be policing that.

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from streko 3414 Days ago #
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Desphunn because you are making this into drama - why are you posting something that you have already said in comments

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from squishee 3414 Days ago #
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this is ridiculous this is ridiculous this is ridiculous this is ridiculous

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