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BlackHat SEO has a reputation, and it’s usually not a good one. Case in point: the recent SMX Advanced conference in Seattle apparently had a lot of blackhat emphasis this year, much to the shock and horror of some. But is it really as evil and bad as it is made out to be?
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from purpleview 2351 Days ago #
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I’d say yes! It is evil and a somewhat temporary solution to benefitting from high rankings. Sometimes it may take a while, but Google always cleans up in the end...

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from MikeDammann 2351 Days ago #
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I think that spineless asskissing is a lot more evil. I mean, lying about things regarding BHSEO is what we have all been used to. Many of you do it, not all.The truth is most of you want to protect yourself and your good standing with Google and will say whatever you benefit from (in public, not to close friends).The SEO industry has never been known for its backbone. Blackhat SEO, and I mean pretty advanced BHSEO is going to be mainstream, want it or not.Get with the times. 

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from Harith 2350 Days ago #
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MikeDammann,"Blackhat SEO, and I mean pretty advanced BHSEO is going to be mainstream, want it or not."What? you must be kidding. What I see is the blackhats are defeted one by one. They can run but they can’t hide anymore :-)And a new generation of Whitehats is emerging. Power to them!

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from purpleview 2350 Days ago #
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@Harith <div></div><div>Well said!</div>

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from sza 2350 Days ago #
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"And a new generation of Whitehats is emerging."Who are they? How are they different from the "old" generation?

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from Harith 2350 Days ago #
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szaThe new generation of the whitehats are those SEOs who have chosen to abide the search engines quality guidelines and work for a long term successful SEO strategy. They are hard working SEOs who care and respect their clients sites and business.

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from MikeDammann 2350 Days ago #
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Harith, you are joking. Blackhat SEOs become more powerful by the minute. more powerful financially and more visible. Of course you will not see them advertise their success like you guys do here (for appearant reason).Just because you guys are not aware of it doesn’t make it go away. There is no hot new generation of whitehats. Only new followers joining DP, Sphinn and other people trying to find someone to help them make more money, which is not going to be getting any easier as time goes by.

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from Harith 2350 Days ago #
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MikeDammann,"Blackhat SEOs become more powerful by the minute. more powerful financially and more visible."Since paid links traders were hit, the only thing I see is Bitching And Moaning Blackhats. I wouldn’t call that "more powerful" ;-) 

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from MikeDammann 2350 Days ago #
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Blackhat is not about buying links. There are many more effective ways to do SEO blackhat style. Buying links is not blackhat, it’s hypocritical white hats which are doing that. The ones who don’t have the skill to do real blackhat.

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from Harith 2350 Days ago #
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MikeDammann,"There are many more effective ways to do SEO blackhat style."For example?

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from MikeDammann 2350 Days ago #
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I have decided to delay the interview I have conducted with one of the leading blackhatters out there. It will appear on www.searchfeature.com/blog once the time is right, but I have yet to decide what and how much I actually want to publish.Regardless, here is a preview: http://firetown.com/cool/?p=420There are countless tactics, referrer log spam and fake links from blogs, how to exploit every hole in the algorithm that there is and there are many.There is a forum out there where people share some things, but unless you get to know the people and show some sort of loyalty, you will not likely get the real info.What they do is very effective, makes them money fast, so when Google catches up, they have already made their profit.The link to one of the communities is on the Search Engine Journal post itself. As I need to clarify, I have learned a few things, but how exactly to do blackhat and profit with it, I would be the wrong person to ask.To the rest of you guys: If you choose not to participate in blackhat after someone who makes a lot of money with it is offering to teach you how to do the same, more power to you!If you just want to sound good and don’t know what the blackhat movement is really about, I suggest that you at least have a glimpse into what you have been missing. Simply for the one reason that you should be aware of what others do to monetize from Google.Mike Dammann

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from Harith 2350 Days ago #
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MieDammann,"There are countless tactics, referrer log spam and fake links from blogs, how to exploit every hole in the algorithm that there is and there are many."Thats is spam. So we do agree blackhat is spamming. Accordingly people have to choose what they wish to be; Ethical SEOs or Spammers!

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from purpleview 2350 Days ago #
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@MikeDammann<div></div><div></div><div>"What they do is very effective, makes them money fast, so when Google catches up, they have already made their profit."</div><div></div><div></div><div>This backs up the first point I made</div><div></div><div></div><div>"It is evil and a somewhat temporary solution to benefitting from high rankings. "</div><div></div><div></div><div>As for the preview of an upcoming interview at firetown.com; I just can’t take it seriously, the interview sounds like something you might hear on MGS4</div><div></div><div></div><div>"3 years ago a group of guys name a project ’the clipper initiative’. It was named after the project Bill Clinton started in hopes of embedding all computer motherboards with a chip that recorded all user actions on it."</div><div></div><div></div><div>I’m sure these guys are good at what they do, but the way this interview reads; I could write a post about a secret society that nobody knows about who make money from black hat techniques the world has never seen with codenames such as "the clipper".</div><div></div><div></div><div>Like I’ve said, I’m sure these guys are good but, black hat is and will always be a temporary solution. </div><div></div><div></div><div>I don’t want to come across as if I’m taking the piss, just voicing my opinion.</div><div></div>

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from mrwhite 2350 Days ago #
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I have to say that black hat SEO does not sit well with me but it depends on your opinion and stand point.  I prefer a long term approach coupled with building a trusted brand.  That requires white hat, although admittedly you can throw in a little grey to help along the way.One great point this article makes is the importance of knowing your enemy, the more educated you are on black hat methods the better equipped you are to beat them with your white (white/grey) approach.

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from MikeDammann 2350 Days ago #
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Harith, so far all we have seen from you is words. "Thats is spam. So we do agree blackhat is spamming. Accordingly people have to choose what they wish to be; Ethical SEOs or Spammers!"Blackhat is spam? Ouch, I let the cat out of the bag! *Looks outside the window to make sure no infrared is pointed at him*Couple of questions for you:1) You seem to be very successful being 100% spam free, ethical and would never do anything Matt Cutts doesn’t approve of. Why not show us an example of your work which we can all learn from? I will be more than happy to display it on a blackhat community as a better way of life and will ask those willing to convert, to take my hand to lead them to you and the altar from which you seem to operate. But just fyi, if there is anything that you might be doing to give your clients sites a little push, it will be found out, so you may or may not want to take my offer.2) LOL I just looked thru Greg’s blog and it seems people here know you. First time I’ve seen you. I mean I know Matt is a nice guy and all that. But do you ever look at the bigger picture?Like there is Matt ... then there is Google ... then there is people who Google is trying hard to give the best results to. And then there is God above who ... what a surprise ... is not the same person as Matt.Good luck to you, bro!

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from Harith 2349 Days ago #
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MikeDammann"Good luck to you, bro!"The same to you ;-)

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from SlightlyShadySEO 2349 Days ago #
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@Harith: People "buying links" are/were not blackhat seos. Actually, that update did not affect any blackhat I know."Bitching and moaning" we were not. Crap, all the commercial white/gray?hats buying links at the time were knocked out of the rankings, leaving even more room to grow and expand.

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from Jill 2349 Days ago #
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Agree with SSS, it certainly wasn’t the avg. blackhat who would have cared about the whole paid links no longer counting.Surely their links would have been purchased under the radar rather than being as blatant as some of the supposed "white hats" were. 

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from Harith 2349 Days ago #
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SSS & Jill,I wish to ask both of you kindly to post here on this thread your own "contemporary definition" of Blackhat SEOs. Thanks.

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from SlightlyShadySEO 2348 Days ago #
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Obviously, it would be practices that are against Google’s guidelines. But I would say that it also has to focus on automation.Paying for links is something you’ll rarely catch a BH doing. "If I can get em for free, why pay?"

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from MikeDammann 2348 Days ago #
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Paying for links is not a blackhat way, it’s a way that less competent white hats use to get results without the need of being creative. I have yet to meet a white hat who does not buy links for the sole purpose of ranking. Sure, Doug will probably be here in a minute saying "I don’t do it and neither should you", so I want to get that part out of the way, I am excluding Doug from this statement for the sole purpose of getting my point across:Everyone else who believes he has not once purchased a link for the sole purpose of moving up in the SERPs ... speak up or forever be silent.And unlike Harith, I would appreciate if you guys don’t hide your sites when making that statement.

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from Harith 2348 Days ago #
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SSS,Thanks for posting your definition of Blackhat SEOs. HIghly appreciate.Still awaiting for Jill’s feedback ;-)I guess the subject of agreeing upon whats a Blackhat SEO deserves a thread by itself. Would be very informative interesting discussion indeed!

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from MikeDammann 2347 Days ago #
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I am asking on  a blackhat forum now and will start a new discussion once some answers are in.

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from SlightlyShadySEO 2347 Days ago #
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Looking forward to it Mike. Which forum though? You’re going to get very different answers depending on which one. (Some emphasize social/more direct sn spam, some are more based in SEO and search engines)

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from MikeDammann 2342 Days ago #
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http://shoutingzone.com/blackhat/index.php?topic=1089.0

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