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Quite a few stories I feel like desphinning because of disagreeing with the post, just like agreeing with a post makes me sphinn it. But then I wonder if desphinning is being seen as a vicious attack here.
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from baiduyou 2316 Days ago #
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No, it’s not rude, but that’s not to say people won’t take offence anyway.If you feel strongly enough about a post, desphinn it. I hardly ever desphinn because I think in most cases just not giving a sphinn is enough.As long as you give a valid reason why you’ve decided to desphinn a post, the submitter should have no excuse for taking it personally - and if they do they are the ones at fault, not you.

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from andymurd 2316 Days ago #
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I usually won’t Desphinn an article if I disagree, I’ll comment instead.Usually, I only Desphinn for articles that are not appropriate for Sphinn. Not spam, just nothing to do with SEO.

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from NickWilsdon 2316 Days ago #
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I think desphinn is a great tool but it has to be used responsibly. As Gavin says, if you state your objection politely, there is no reason for people to interpret it as an attack. I’ll use the desphinn in two cases. The first is if I *know* the material is incorrect. This isn’t about disagreeing on ethical grounds or the effectiveness of the technique. This is when the material is flat out wrong. A lot of people were Desphinning link siloing articles which I thought was wrong, at least at the moment until we have more evidence/experience to go on. The second case is when the material shouldn’t be on the front page. It’s fluff and doesn’t pass the quality bar I imagine for Sphinn. This is where desphinn needs to be used, not commenting as it’s the only way to stop material going hot. Often these posts will have sockpuppets or circle-jerking to push them to the most popular list anyway. This is our community and we all have some responsibility to keep the standards up. Otherwise we have no one but ourselves to complain to when we see rubbish on the front page. Letting low quality articles through will end up killing the community in the long term as people will just leave.

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from rishilakhani 2316 Days ago #
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I think Desphinn Should be used. If the material isnt correct, or is an obvious repetition of another successful story, or not shedding any new light. To be honest its your vote - make it count, but as nick says above - use it with respect and consideration.

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from bbcarter 2316 Days ago #
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Sorry to be a semantic jerk, @andymurd, but sphinn isn’t only about seo.  Also PPC, social media, ORM... subtitle of the site is "internet marketing" altho I suspect it may be bigger than that- we don’t have a good category for all this stuff.  Is ORM Marketing?  Is social media?

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from andymurd 2316 Days ago #
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@bbcarter Very true. I don’t desphinn articles about that kind of stuff, but you bet I’m going to desphinn pictures of cats or your favourite band’s tour schedule.What about non-english articles? I never know whether to desphinn an article in a language that I don’t read. How does everyone else react?

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from System0 2316 Days ago #
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I wrote a post yesterday about how no one seems to desphinn.Nick makes a very good point about some articles being pushed to the front. Matt Cutts posts nearly always reach the front page because he is so high profile, yet some of his posts are not as good as the ones he’s pushing down the list.andy : I personally wouldn’t cast any vote. I don’t think it’s fair to cast a vote in an article I cannot understand.

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from NickWilsdon 2316 Days ago #
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@system0Well if you think about it, desphinn is poison to social media. Your goal in this setting is to increase the power of your profile by making friends and mutually support your circles. Although you would hope people do not take the function personally, desphinn can potentially loose friends and break/weaken relationships.I couldn’t honestly see desphinn working in any other social community but this. Hopefully there are enough professionals here who can respect people for "calling things as they see them" and who have an eye on the "bigger picture", i.e. letting the quality deteriate will not help Sphinn in the long term.

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from System0 2316 Days ago #
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True. With Sphinn having moderators looking after this kind of thing too the need for actually having the desphinn option in the first place is less. Perhaps a ’report to moderator’ link would be more suitable. It would allow unsuitable posts to be looked at by the moderating team and standard posts which have a poorer quality will just go down the list natrually.

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from NickWilsdon 2316 Days ago #
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@system0Yep but they want to move the work away from the moderators and onto the community. Who can blame them. Danny doesn’t want to employ several full time staff to run Sphinn. AKAIK everyone involved in Sphinn at the moment has another "full-time" job. They also have a huge amount of work already just deleting spam from here. Take a look at any of the other "pligg" based sites like DNHour.com to see what happens without serious input on that side. We have to take on the responsibility ourselves and learn to use the desphinn more often. Discussions like this though are a good start though, they help us all work out the ettiquette and how to use this function. 

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from dannysullivan 2316 Days ago #
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It’s not so much wanting to not have the moderators work. It’s just that when we have to make a judgement call, then we get others questioning it. Killing spam is one thing. But slowing a story that doesn’t seem to deserve it? That’s what desphinn is for, so the community can directly do that, and so it’s transparent.

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from System0 2316 Days ago #
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@Nick I think your right. From what I have seen so far, people are really reluctant to use the desphinn option. We need to change how people view the desphinn option. Perhaps we should encourage people to use the desphinn option for articles they dislike and advise them to explain why. If someone was following me around and casting negative votes on all posts from my blogs then obviously I’d have a bit of a grievence but I wouldn’t have a problem with people desphinning my posts. Particularly if they leave a comment as well and explain why they are desphinn. @DannyJudgement calls are something I didn’t even think about it. It would be better if control was placed within the community. I was referring to reporting spam more than anything else. Of course, the debate comes up about what is considered spam and what is not.

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from JamesDuthie 2315 Days ago #
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I’ve never cast a Desphinn, mainly because I’d really have to passionately disagree with the viewpoint to consider it appropriate. I treat other social media outlets in a similar fashion. Even when it came to the Lyndon debate, in which I had a fairly strong opinion, I refrained because I still had some appreciation for the success Lyndon achieved. Like others have mentioned, I simply don’t cast the vote if I don’t believe it’s worthy. I think a Desphinn based on a minor disagreement is somewhat fickle.

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from randfish 2315 Days ago #
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I couldn’t resist  - this post was just begging for the desphinn.Honestly, though, I don’t see how you could take offense unless the post was something very personal or emotional. Honestly, if I knew that people would be 100% cool with desphinns, I’d probably desphinn about 85% of the submissions here with something like "good story/post, but not quite good enough for the homepage, IMO." Maybe I just have the bar way too high.

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from NickWilsdon 2315 Days ago #
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@RandI don’t think you have the bar too high. That was exactly the reason I desphinned this post:http://sphinn.com/story/53118Gab, to his credit, took it maturely and exactly in the spirit it was given. For me, that’s how desphinn should work. While you can choose not to vote for something, if you see it powering up the "What’s New" list, desphinn is the only brake mechanism. Using it in that way can help maintain the quality of the front page articles, which for the majority of visitors is "Sphinn". That can only help the success of the site in the long term. We need more desphinning or quality control from established members here, like you Rand.  It’s always going to be hard for people new in the community to use it, they don’t want to create friction. If they lead the way on desphinn, others will be more comfortable using the feature.

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from MikeDammann 2315 Days ago #
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I personally have no problems with posts of mine being Desphunn. I would however ask that those who do exercise the same priviledge with any and anybody else’s posts as well. Seeing something of no value sneaking up towards the front page on an everyday basis begs to be despunn regardless of whether or not the poster is popular over here or not. I have felt the need to desphinn quite a few posts which were more or less the same crap reheated, rewording and rephrasing stories which have already been posted before. Like you guys say in the hard core white hat community: Unique content!Unlike a privately owned seo community, this one should be one where all voices are heard equally and all votes count the same.

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from NickWilsdon 2315 Days ago #
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@RandTo be honest, I don’t understand why you have desphunn this discussion? " Hmm... I don’t know Mike, why don’t you tell me :)"That’s a little vague. If people are going use this feature, it would help if the desphinn reasoning was transparent as possible. Then it does look less like an attack.

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from CurtMonash 2315 Days ago #
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Nick, I think your irony detector is a little off. :)Anyhow, speaking of irony, I found this thread shortly after one of my rare deSphinns.  It was for a story that in six sentences or so regurgitated material we all knew, perhaps not even accurately.  (As you can see, it didn’t leave much of an impression on me.)  But it occurred to me that -- gasp! -- I was using similar criteria to those I use when I adhere to the editorial guidelines at DMOZ:Is there unique information?Here, "information" can mean either facts or opinions.  Thus, there’s a bias to opinions that contradict what has been well-argued before, rather than ones that regurgitate."Unique" refers to the question of whether the reader has easy access to it otherwise.  Obviously, a site where stories come and go fluidly is different from a directory in which there’s a sharply-defined page of listings.  But the same general ideas seem applicable.

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from NickWilsdon 2315 Days ago #
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@CurtMonash Actually after some sleep, I agree with you. That’s what living in Russia does for you, you loose all sense of irony. Look at the success of the mullet hairstyle here. :) Apologies Rand. I like your DMOZ critera actually, that’s a good way of looking at the issue. Sockpuppet stuff and spam is easy, it’s using despinn elsewhere that still seems to be a grey area.

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from fogofeternity 2315 Days ago #
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I definitely wouldn’t desphinn on the basis of disagreeing with an article. If it’s well written and well argued then it’s still a pertinent and worthwhile addition to the debate. It wouldn’t be much of a debate if everyone just agreed with what I think. That’s a time for commenting and developing the discussion on the original article.On the other hand, as pointed out, articles that are fluff, not particularly relevant, but not worthy of being flagged as spam, those are worthy of desphinning.

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from mphung 2315 Days ago #
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Personally if other people used desphinn more liberally, I’d probably spend more time here. There have been so many articles recently that were either on the FP or on their way there that were just complete and utter fluff. I don’t desphinn as much as I’m tempted because the last time I did it I was basically called out for being a jerk. I just don’t spend as much time here anymore because I think the quality has gone way down hill. Maybe if the community starts being more honest about what deserves to be popular (regardless of whether the words "Matt Cutts" appear anywhere in the submission), I’ll participate more again.

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from paisley 2315 Days ago #
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if it’s whack, or spam.. i’d say desphinn.... whack = wrong or bad advice...

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from Jeeb90 2315 Days ago #
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Yes, it is rude. The desphinn button is a barbaric creation and helps to reinforce the predatory nature of our society. Playing devil’s advocate with myself:  When you desphinn someone’s comment, you bring them closer to enlightenment.  The desphinn button should actually be called the "Bring this person enlightenment" button.

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from NickWilsdon 2315 Days ago #
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@Jeeb90That’s pretty deep actually. The path to enlightenment is learning to take desphinns as constructive criticism hehSo yep - start desphinning and create a better world people!

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from BrentCsutoras 2315 Days ago #
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It just needs to be anonymous in my opinion. Too often birthday posts and posts about someone popular’s contest that have nothing to do with SEO make the front page... why?Well who here is going to desphinn my stuff ... who is going to desphinn somone who we all know who had a birthday.. Sure one or two of us will desphinn once in a while but with all the complaints of spam and crap content do you honestly believe people are really using the feature near as much.I think Desphinn should have a reason and i think it should be shown only to moderators.. We can decide if it is being abused or not.

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from DVOLA 2315 Days ago #
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I personally agree with Brent on this one , it needs to anonymous ..

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from SexySEO 2315 Days ago #
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I just don’t like negative voting. ANY ;)

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from Jeeb90 2315 Days ago #
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Come on now...even when the troll (Jason Calacanis) shows up at Sphinn and makes his trollish comments?  You don’t think he should be voted down?

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from Catfish 2315 Days ago #
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lol@ The Troll

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from mphung 2315 Days ago #
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It’s my birthday ... does that mean I have license to go desphinn with abandon today, without fear of retribution? Or does it only work the other way?  =)p

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from MattMcGee 2315 Days ago #
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Couple quick things on desphinn vs. spam, quoting from some previous comments:>> you bet I’m going to desphinn pictures of cats or your favourite band’s tour schedule.Andy - that stuff is spam and you should mark it as spam. Don’t desphinn it. Hit the spam button, please.>> What about non-english articles? The guidelines specifically say submissions must be in English, so those should be marked as spam. >> if it’s whack, or spam.. i’d say desphinn....If it’s spam, please hit the Report Spam button.Generally speaking, I’d love for our users to stop being so afraid to use the tools we’ve given you to help keep the site valuable. If you don’t like seeing spam on Sphinn, you have a tool that will help eliminate it. If you don’t like seeing fluff on the home page, desphinn it before it gets there. We’re all adults. 

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from fiftystudio 2315 Days ago #
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What you mean like the lame post that said something about trying to get to 400? Not worth a Sphinn.

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from NickWilsdon 2315 Days ago #
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@mphung go for it Melanie! (and Happy Birthday)

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from mrwhite 2314 Days ago #
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If you disagree with a post that is someones opinion I don’t think you should use desphinn, it is better to discuss it in the comments, people have different views on internet marketing and there are bound to be conflicts from time to time.Where desphinn is essential is being used in conjuction with the ’report as spam’ option to cut down on all the irrelevant rubbish that people post on here.  So many times you see a great post get pushed down the what’s new page into obliviion due to mass submission of low quality posts.

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from Jeeb90 2309 Days ago #
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"If you disagree with a post that is someones opinion I don’t think you should use desphinn,"Again, there should be a Calacanis-exception.  You can’t really mark his comments as spam (well you could, but they’re only borderline spam) so a button like the desphinn one is very useful in certain situations.

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from Nemisisx 2309 Days ago #
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"The desphinn button should actually be called the "Bring this person enlightenment" button"So, does this mean it brings good karma to desphinners ?

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from Jeeb90 2307 Days ago #
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Hah, good question.

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from randfish 1928 Days ago #
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Hmm... I don’t know Mike, why don’t you tell me :)

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