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Posted By: Sebastian 299 days ago
Topic Type: News Story (Jump to http://sebastians-pamphlets.com)
Category: Google SEO
I couldn’t resist to post this vague piece of speculation before doing solid research. Maybe I’m dead wrong.
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from JohnWeb 299 days ago #
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Sounds plausible, you got my vote.

from JohnWeb 299 days ago #
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If Matt Sphinns this article, we'll take it as an un-official nudge-nudge-wink-wink...

from g1smd 299 days ago #
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Interesting theory. There may be all sorts of wierd interactions when multiple parameters are used, especially "advanced search" stuff. This one is very new. It will take a week or two for things to become more clear.

from Harith 298 days ago #
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I'm getting weird results for searches (&as_qdr=y and &as_qdr=y2) for sites of the kind:

site:sample-site.com

site:sample-site.dk

etc...

from MattCutts 298 days ago #
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I haven't checked on this myself. Personally, if someone find a search that returns supplemental results, that doesn't bother me that much. It's just that it didn't really make sense to call out the supplemental label to end-users, and the label carried some connotations that no longer applied from the original supplemental index (e.g. that it was months or more out of date).

from Sebastian 297 days ago #
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Thanks Matt for stepping in. :)

from Sem-Advance 297 days ago # - show/hide this comment
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You guys need to know how to find supplementals??

It's easy take any website ...say Sphinn.com

Enter the various URLs the site has (they should fix the canonical URL issue here)and input them into the Google search box.

Results 1 - 1 of 1 for http://www.sphinn.com

Nope no supplementals here

Results 1 - 10 of about 144 for www.sphinn.com

No supplementals found here

Results 1 - 2 of 2 for http://sphinn.com

In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 2 already displayed.

There they are!!!

See how easy that is??

Psst Sphinn Admin you might want to 301, use a mod rewrite, or tell Google & Yahoo which URL you prefer

Peace!

from g1smd 297 days ago #
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*** There they are ***

Sadly not.

If you click on the "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 2 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included" link you then get "1 - 100 of 18 400".

You found a way to uncover Similar Results, NOT Supplemental Results.

from Sem-Advance 297 days ago #
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gs1md

The other 18,398 pages not displayed would then be considered supplemental if I am not mistaken.

I doubt all 18,398 pages are similar .....nice concept, but not the reality.

from Halfdeck 297 days ago #
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"You found a way to uncover Similar Results, NOT Supplemental Results."

g1smd is right. Sem-Advance, those omitted entries are not supplemental results.

from g1smd 297 days ago #
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.. .. ..

from Halfdeck 297 days ago #
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In fact, Matt Cutts clarifies this point in an SEOmoz article where Sem Advance also makes the same claim.

Sem-Advance:

"Results 1 - 10 of about 830 for www.searchengineland.com

Results 1 - 10 of about 165,000 for searchengineland.com

You would think these guys could figure out how to resolve their problem via .htaccess ;->

or that Google would fix the issues themselves, but they won't because they don't care. Organic results are the canvas to carry the true money maker, paid links I mean ads."

Matt Cutts:

"One fine point to make: when people see the "show duplicate results" link at the end of search results and click it to add "&filter=0" as an extra parameter, the new results you see are not all from the supplemental results. Lemme see if I can find a query to demonstrate that. Ah, here we are, the first one I tried. [site:mattcutts.com foxmarks] returns one result. If I click to see more results, that post has also been indexed at other urls, but at least two of the extra urls are in our main web index, not the supplemental index."

from g1smd 297 days ago #
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A lot of people are confused as to the differences between similar results and supplemental results, despite it having been explained many times.

from Sem-Advance 296 days ago #
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@ g1smd & Halfdeck

I understand what you are both saying.....but whenever Matt speaks I like to read between the lines at what he has said.

Example below from your posting.

Matt C quote

"the new results you see are not all from the supplemental results."

So while some are not from the supplemental index... some are indeed, and I would venture to guess the "some" in this case, is equal to "most".

And it also makes sense that similar pages are found in supplemental index..... since there are indeed still two indexes.... similar pages which are not likely to be returned to a users search query....(think dupe content) would then be dumped in the heap pile aka supplemental index.

But those are my thoughts....

from Halfdeck 296 days ago #
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Sem-Advance, supplemental results are primarily PageRank driven. What does "similar results" and low PageRank have in common?

Duplicate content in multiple URLs may go supplemental. Why? Not because of duplicate text, but because of split PageRank.

Of course when you have thousands of "similar results" you'll have a mix of supplemental results and main index results. That proves nothing.

Right now, we have two known (most likely inaccurate) ways of fishing out supplemental results:

site:domain.com/* query - which returns urls that are not supplemental

and a site:domain.com query restricted by time (which Sebastian pointed out recently)

from g1smd 296 days ago #
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For sites using the www for delivering content, a [site:domain.com -inurl:www] search also finds a few "Historical" Supplemental Results, as of the last few weeks.

That search originally stopped working a few months ago, but now it is back.



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