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"Edward Lewis runs SEOConsultants.com, one of the more well known and trusted directories in the SEO space. When I first started learning SEO about 5 years back Edward sent me an email letting me know that something I wrote was incorrect. He was right and I made sure I fixed the issue, but he was also quite abrasive."
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from SpostareDuro 2223 Days ago #
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I really liked reading webworks comment that followed also.

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from Jill 2223 Days ago #
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Very nice post by Aaron showing both sides of this type of issue.I have been on both ends of this type of thing myself. As a forum admin I am quick to remove anyone who antagonizes our forum members; no questions asked. While the banned person often believes they’re being banned because the mods or admin disagree with them, that’s not it at all. They are banned because their presence is disruptive and often hurtful. Forum mods have limited time and can’t babysit those who refuse to obey the written and unwritten rules of the forum. On the other hand, I was within an inch of being banned from Search Engine Watch forums by Danny Sullivan, no less, a few years ago. At that time I felt I was only trying to help the members there to get more accurate information, but they didn’t want my help (or more likely didn’t see it as help). So I simply left and never came back. Just like Edward felt when banned from my forum and most likely from Sphinn,  I too believed it was their loss not mine.Every online community has its own culture and not everyone fits into that culture. We’re lucky that there are plenty of them, and nearly everyone can find a few where their style fits nicely within the community.As far as Edward and his seven (7) days at Sphinn, in the early days, I was actually on his side. Lots of new Sphinns go un-nuked and even Sphunn when they shouldn’t be. Had he continued to beat that drum (or hit the report spam button) I would have been fine with his presense. Unfortunately, it appears that when he didn’t get the reaction he was looking for, he branched out into making fun of REAL sphinns (as opposed to spam sphinns) and real contributors rather than bots. And when he began to derail numerous threads off topic, it was pretty clear that his days were numbered. I almost wonder if part of his Sphinn experiment was to see how many days it would take to be banned. Had the Sphinn mods allowed him to continue disrupting the community as he was, I know that I probably would have been visiting a lot less often than I currently do. I imagine others may have felt the same as it was getting tiresome seeing all the offtopic comments.The Sphinn mods did a great job of handling the situation swiftly and appropriately. I’m sure Edward will find some other communities where he will be welcomed with open arms, if that’s what he is actually looking for.

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from SpostareDuro 2223 Days ago #
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To generalize in terms that represesent all admins and modertors, suggests the illusion that all admins and moderators only remove persons for ’disrupting’, being hurtful, and not obeying the rules.Some would consider debate ’disruptive’. And many times, this is all it takes to have someone removed.It’s in the eye of the beholder. Too often, sides are taken because a debate includes a person that is prominent. When this happens, great strides are taken to ensure the ’disruptive’ voice is squashed. Even though the only thing that could possibly be seen as a ’disruption’ is simple truth.

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from billslawski 2223 Days ago #
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It’s funny, but it’s the stuff that Edward was fighting against, like the auto submissions, the voting clubs, and the sockpuppets that have been keeping me from coming around here too often.Too many votes seem to be based upon the people who make the submissions rather than the quality of the content submitted.  Too often great submissions sphunn by people who are newer to the industry get ignored while others who are better known have their posts find the front page.I appreciated that Edward was trying.  I’ve made a few suggestions for positive change here to the administration that have been brushed under the carpet completely. 

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from Jill 2223 Days ago #
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SpostareDuro: Some would consider debate ’disruptive’. And many times, this is all it takes to have someone removed.Perhaps. I can’t say as I’ve ever seen that in any forum or community I’ve ever taken part of. But yes, the one who gets banned often sees it that way.Bill: Too many votes seem to be based upon the people who make the submissions rather than the quality of the content submitted.  Too often great submissions sphunn by people who are newer to the industry get ignored while others who are better known have their posts find the front page.Yes, that does seem to happen on any of these voting types of sites. That’s why I don’t bother with Digg or any of the others. Bill: I’ve made a few suggestions for positive change here to the administration that have been brushed under the carpet completely.  Really? Wow, my experience has been the exact opposite. While they haven’t agreed nor implemented everything I’ve mentioned or suggested, they’ve always provided me with reasoned responses. (And I’ve had convos with quite a few different mods and admins here.)  While I don’t always agree with the decisions they’ve made, it’s their community not mine so I wouldn’t expect it to run exactly as I would run mine.

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from Halfdeck 2223 Days ago #
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"it was getting tiresome seeing all the offtopic comments."He was flooding the Latest Comments links on purpose over just one weekend not to promote himself (which is probably the reason 90% of Sphinners comment here 90% of the time) but instead to help improve Sphinn - with the unintended consequence that some people grew annoyed with his dance routine.I didn’t bother reading his offtopic comments because I figured he just wanted to line up rows of "pageoneresult says..." in the sidebar.Seriously, if posting meaningless/off-topic comments was a crime 80% of Sphinners would be hanging side by side (myself included).If we continue down this road, every social media/Sphinn newbie starts off inches away from a ban, and every SEO daring enough to push the envelope is out of here, while rule-abiding white hat herd of obedient sheep fill this place up.

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from Jill 2223 Days ago #
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If we continue down this road, every social media/Sphinn newbie starts off inches away from a ban, and every SEO daring enough to push the envelope is out of here, while rule-abiding white hat herd of obedient sheep fill this place up.Rule-abiding white hat herd of obedient sheep? Don’t think those are here in abundance. Doubtful it would be very popular if it does ever get that way. That’s what’s great about Sphinn, imo (and ThreadWatch before it); it’s a place for all hat colors. But I’m really not sure what hat colors has to do with what P1R was doing here.I’m still not sure what his agenda was. He claims it was to help the Sphinn community. I don’t personally believe that to be true.

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from hugoguzman 2223 Days ago #
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@Jill - neither do I.To me, anytime someone is so radical or fanatical in his/her approach either has ulterior motives or is off-kilter in one way or another.Typically, neither of those things is good for a community. I hope this entire things blows over quickly. I want to get back to discussing actual SEO and site promotion.

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from SpostareDuro 2223 Days ago #
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Last comment on this thread from me. It should’ve become apparent to me that there would not be room for reasoning when I heard the words,"Every online community has its own culture and not everyone fits into that culture."Possible reasons for not ’fitting in’ to a culture:1. Someone does not feel accepted for who they are. 2. They cannot be themselves due to fear of rejection 3. Made to feel they have nothing to offer that culture.4. Feel the culture has nothing to offer them.5. Bullies turn others against them, not for betterment of the culture, but out of fear of losing ground/control of their directives.6. Bias/prejudice/racism factors<b>Example</b>:  ~African Americans who are slaughtered by KKK - KKK thinks they do not ’fit in’ so they eliminate force them out of their neighborhoods with scare tactics, threats, coercion of various sorts. (even to the point of death)Does that apply to forums and other online ’cultures’? Yes. Does that mean it’s professional of them to operate their networks in that fashion? Of course not. Yes, in the end, (my opinion) consistent coercion harnesses that ’heard mentality’.People gather the message quickly that they are to do as they are told or they will pay the piper. I addressed this more clearly in a recent post of mine which went hot with approx. 50 Sphinns, but the post was removed by mods.Once again, hmmm..I wonder why that happened? The communities votes meant nothing. Yet, we are told that are votes determine what stays and what goes?**If you are someone who voted on that post, YOUR opinion did not matter either.**In order to remain in Sphinn, I’m cutting off my commenting for the night. If there’s anything further to address, I’ll do so in a blog post.Have a terrific night everyone. Be well.

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from Michelle 2222 Days ago #
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@SpostareDuro - I’m struggling with how to respond to this. Your equating the mods here at Sphinn with the KKK so completely trivializes the horrors and diminishes the suffering by African Americans at the hands of the KKK, that I’m honestly left speechless.  

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from Jill 2222 Days ago #
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SpostareDuro: It should’ve become apparent to me that there would not be room for reasoning...Honestly can’t see why you believe there’s no room for reasoning in this thread. Reason away. Isn’t that what we’ve been doing? Putting for our opinions? If we don’t agree then we can’t be reasoned with? Is that what you are saying?  As for the KKK stuff, what Michelle said.

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from richiepear 2222 Days ago #
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No comment on the KKK stuff as Michelle handled it perfectly.   I advocate making the community guidelines extremely transparent . . . and updating them as the community evolves.  Sphinn does a pretty good job with this, although they could make them easier to find.

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from Gab 2222 Days ago #
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"Too many votes seem to be based upon the people who make the submissions rather than the quality of the content submitted.  Too often great submissions sphunn by people who are newer to the industry get ignored while others who are better known have their posts find the front page."This is an ongoing problem. I’d love to see it addressed for the next release of sphinn, as it affects everyone. "I appreciated that Edward was trying.  I’ve made a few suggestions for positive change here to the administration that have been brushed under the carpet completely. "I had a long, in-depth, really enjoyable chat with Michelle Robbins, who is Third Door’s CTO after SMX Advanced (seomoz party). She was very appreciative of feedback and as concerned - or likely more - than myself or anyone else by the spam that goes here and shares your frustrations re: voting clubs and new users, Bill. Pligg itself is a very crummy platform, and my understanding is that they’ve chopped it up finer than herbs in an Italian tomato sauce. Chances are they took in your feedback and are looking to integrate it or some variant on it for the next [likely pligg-free]  version of Sphinn. Who wouldn’t respect your thoughts on developing anti-spam algos etc?

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from neyne 2222 Days ago #
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there is another thing, very typical of online communities, forums, etc. People get very invested in them and somehow start believing that their every suggestion should be accepted. There is no rational reason to believe so. You had a suggestion, you presented it to the owners/managers of the community, they said "thanks, but no thanks", get off your soap box and move on. Or leave or whatever, just get off the soap box.While I tottaly aggree with SpostareDuro about the need to make members (especially new ones) of the community feel like this is a place where they can make a difference, there are cases when "making a difference" efforts become a burden for the community and start affecting the experience of the other users.

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from Halfdeck 2222 Days ago #
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My last comment on this issue."Don’t think those are here in abundance."I didn’t say they were - yet."I’m still not sure what his agenda was. He claims it was to help the Sphinn community. I don’t personally believe that to be true."You butted heads with Edward on HR to the point where you banned him, so you either know him alot better than I do or you just don’t like the guy. One of the first things you posted about this was he’s off his meds and has a history of screwy behavior so just ban him. You’re either absolutely right or absolutely biased. Maybe I should flip a coin.I also didn’t say he was interested in helping the Sphinn community. He acted as if the community didn’t exist (which I don’t fault him for, since he’s a social newb). I do believe he was interested in helping improve Sphinn’s backend and overall Sphinn experience. Why? He intended Sphinn to replace WMW. He has time to kill and I’m guessing reads a ton of posts in one sitting, so Hot Topics posts and most popular What’s New posts weren’t providing him with enough reading material. At that point, he started digging into most recent What’s New submits. There spam got in his way, especially because he is a couple of hours behind ET (12 PM for me is 9-10 PM for him, and in a WMR interview he said spammers start hitting Sphinn late at night, especially on weekends). That I think is why he started beating his drum about Sphinn Spam.http://www.webmasterradio.fm/Search-Engine-Optimization/Webcology/Sphinn-Sphamm.htmI don’t know Edwards personally. No one is paying me to defend him. Maybe someone should have told him to stay away from Sphinn on weekends, go outside, drink some beer, and get laid.Like Aaron wrote, I consider p1r a valuable resource. He has published over 10,000 posts on WMW. As a point of comparison, IncrediBill has 5,000, gs1md 7,800, martinibuster 8,800.At the same time, the choice to keep him or put a tape over his mouth is up to Sphinn, not mine. I made my case and the bed’s been made.

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from andymurd 2222 Days ago #
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I missed all the controversy so I’m grateful for Aaron’s post explaining what happened. I think it is a shame that p1r’s comments got removed because it destroyed the flow of conversation around those posts.

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from SpostareDuro 2222 Days ago #
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@Michelle since there’s a mod response, I’ll reply."force them out of their neighborhoods with scare tactics, threats, coercion of various sorts"is the relevant part. And it was of no direct attack on any particular forum/platform.Same mindset as some of the worst atrocities known to man. A disregard for human value. Once again, not an attack on Sphinn, but on many forums and blogosphere environments.

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from billslawski 2222 Days ago #
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Your equating the mods here at Sphinn with the KKK so completely trivializes the horrors and diminishes the suffering by African Americans at the hands of the KKK, that I’m honestly left speechless. The attacks against pr1, claiming that he needs medication, let through and left here by the moderation staff is just as terrible as the actions of the KKK.Have a good vacation. 

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from martinibuster 2222 Days ago #
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I’m a bit reluctant to post a comment here because I’m a mod of three forums over at WebmasterWorld and I don’t mean to presume to teach the mods over here how to do their job because I  respect the job they do and the experience they bring to it.  However, I also think a mistake was made and it’s hard to keep my mouth shut on this because I’m a part of this community too. I have contributed several bug reports to help out when Sphinn was getting off the ground and contribute in the usual way as a community member. So please don’t take offense if I offer some constructive criticism. It’s good to listen to what your own users are telling you. >>>The Sphinn mods did a great job of handling the situation swiftly and appropriatelyEdward came here to help and he did. He exposed bots and rogue activity and he has subsequently documented a security flaw in pligg (which means Sphinn, too). Now here is my constructive criticism, offered in the spirit of helping: Seems like there was an overreaction and the messenger was shot.

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from toddmintz 2222 Days ago #
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Kimberly, I think the analogy I would have used would be showing up underdressed at a night club...we should try to keep these things in their proper perspective   Edward wouldn’t wear a collared shirt, so he was asked to leave :.)

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from Jill 2222 Days ago #
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Actually, since the analogy was made based on a comment of mine about people needing to fit into the culture of the places where they hang out, a more appropriate analogy, imo, would be if you go to Singapore and you commit acts of vandalism, be prepared for a caning.You can’t just go into communities and break their laws and rules and not expect to pay the consequences. End of story.

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from SpostareDuro 2222 Days ago #
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Haha..It’s funny that you chose to use that analogy Jill, cause you basically just summed up what this is about."if you go to Singapore and you commit acts of vandalism, be prepared for a caning."Does that make caning right? Acceptable? Warranted? What would the United Nations say? What would Amnesty International say? Both organizations have condemned the practice as cruel and inhumane torture and a violation of human rights Jill. The mindset is the same in comparison. In fact, you are the one that offered the comparison..I didn’t..remember that.Let’s not be children about this. I think the thread has been thoroughly discussed, and it doesn’t seem to go any further than where it began. A few terrific points get brushed under the rug and I’m not here to be hateful. I do not have any agendas. I agree to disagree with you. And you’ll hear me respond to you no more in this thread. It’s a shame it had to move in circles for 2 days.

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from DarkMatter 2222 Days ago #
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He rolled in here like he owned the place, decided to redefine "spam" and hassle people because their website design wasn’t pretty enough. I’d never seen as many arguments on Sphinn as he managed to cause in one week. Clearly the guy knew his stuff, but he wasn’t banned for saying unpopular things. He was banned for being rude and confrontational. Considering his history as a forum administrator, I’m not buying the whole "social media is so new to me" line. Sphinn is just a glorified forum and the same rules of interaction that apply here apply in any quality forum. This wasn’t the first time, he’d been banned for the same behavior on other forums. He knew what he was doing.

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from Jill 2222 Days ago #
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Does that make caning right? Acceptable? Warranted? It doesn’t matter. It’s the law in Singapore. If you go there and vandalize because you don’t care about their laws, expect to be caned, and don’t whine about it later when you are because you don’t think its right.Instead either don’t go to Singapore if you can’t help but vandalize stuff, or go there, but be very careful not to vandalize, even though you may have a tendency towards vandalism.Let’s not be children about this. Where is anyone being childish? It looks like a good discussion to me, other than that one unfortunate analogy.

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from streko 2222 Days ago #
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some people need to just do SEO and put the sphinn down.

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from billslawski 2222 Days ago #
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One of the most valuable lessons you can learn in being an administrator of a community is that you need to listen to the people who participate, even if they have views that don’t agree with the majority of the population.Debate and dissent can be healthy, even though it can also be challenging for the moderators and administrators.  If you squelch unpopular views, then you may find people leaving to go to places where they can have meaningful conversations, with divergent points of view represented.  Dissent can be a pain, but it can also be an asset.Having limited guidelines means the possibility of people being creative, but it also creates the risk that people will be disruptive.  It’s easy to say in a set of guidelines that people shouldn’t write something that they wouldn’t say to a person’s face, but that’s not really helpful.  It really does help to have more guidelines than just to say, "use common sense."  The old cliche about common sense, is that it usually isn’t common, and it often doesn’t make sense.  That saying may be a cliche, but it still holds value.Some things that any moderator or administrator of any community needs to be asking themselves on a regular basis are:How comfortable might newcomers be in joining the community, and what is done to make them feel welcome?How does the community react when someone presents an opposing point of view?How should a moderator or administrator participate when dissent moves from discussing issues and ideas to harassment?  Should they participate in a conversation with a gentle touch, attempting to guide a conversation back to a topic by first stating a preference that discussion not travel down the path started, and then participating in discussion in a meaningful manner?  Should they send private messages in a timely manner, discussing community rules?  A moderator or administrator attacking a community member in public isn’t necessary the best approach. Community members are the most important part of a community, and should be treated as such.Providing community members with clear warnings, when there is a serious problem, allowing for honest mistakes (especially when there aren’t clear guidelines),  and escalating responses appropriately as a situation calls for them, are considerations that community leaders need to keep in mind.  Adminstrators and moderators need to participate, to interact with other community members, to find and follow a careful balance of keeping peace and yet also allowing for disagreement.  If that isn’t a possibility, then maybe there’s a need for more moderators and administrators, and a need for clearer guidelines.

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from Halfdeck 2222 Days ago #
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"It’s the law in Singapore."Ok I have to go back on my word just to debunk this line of argument. First you suggested Edward didn’t fit Sphinn’s culture (whatever that means); now you’re saying he broke a crystal-clear rule. Which is it?Second, Danny’s "common sense" guidelines is wide open to interpretation. A more suitable analogy would be "if I don’t like the way you look I’ll cane you." That’s a guessing game depending on who is doing the looking.Sphinn mods are free to enforce vague rules of conduct. At the same time, that freedom opens the door for politics, personal agendas, and abuse. If there was a rule on Sphinn that says if you desphinn more than 20 submits a day we’ll ban you, fine. But the rule says "don’t vandalize too much using colors and patterns I don’t like."So here’s the bottom line: To play it safe we should all stop posting confrontational comments (whatever the admins thinks fall under "confrontational" - maybe any criticism constructive or otherwise aimed at either Sphinn or friends of Sphinn mods?) and stop desphinning "legit" posts. And I guess we all should walk on egg shells, being "very careful not to vandalize." Is that the kind of culture we want on Sphinn? A culture of fear?Sphinn isn’t Singapore. The common sense guidelines aren’t laws written in stone. No laws were broken - people just got annoyed and pissed off.

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from Jill 2222 Days ago #
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some people need to just do SEO and put the sphinn down.I tried, Streko, but you called me back here on Twitter...thanks man... :D

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from DarkMatter 2222 Days ago #
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Both of you are acting as if the reason he was banned was for presenting "dissenting views". He wasn’t, he was banned for disregarding the rules of courtesy. Pretending that he was banned for criticizing Sphinn is a great way to win the argument, but it’s dishonest.How comfortable might newcomers be in joining the community, and what is done to make them feel welcome?How does the community react when someone presents an opposing point of view?How should a moderator or administrator participate when dissent moves from discussing issues and ideas to harassment? Are you honestly going to tell me sphinn isn’t one of the friendliest forums out there? There are plenty of healthy debates here. The difference is that most people are able to conduct themselves in a civil manner. P1R was not.To play it safe we should all stop posting confrontational comments (whatever the admins thinks fall under "confrontational") and stop desphinning "legit" posts. And I guess we all should walk on egg shells, being "very careful not to vandalize." Is that the kind of culture we want on Sphinn? A culture of fear?won’t someone think of the children??? Sensationalism aside, P1 created a situation for himself that most users never will. He made it a personal vendetta, making several posts per hour for each day he was on. In many of these posts, he despunn stuff that wasn’t spam for sometimes silly reasons, and also insulted plenty of people. He spammed the recent comments with his pageone says or high quality sphinn topic BS. We’re not talking about one off color comment, we’re talking about a pattern that manifested itself in the extreme. All within the first 7 days of posting. The guy basically seemed to want to remake sphinn the way he wanted it.

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from Alysson 2222 Days ago #
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As one of apparently many that Ed targetted with negative and less-than-constructive comments, I can say that such behavior is very discouraging to those new to Sphinn...and that comes from someone who is regularly accused of being abrasive and curt!  If not for my thick skin (and constructive feedback from others), I probably would have been offended and unlikely to submit anything else to Sphinn for some time.  Ed didn’t like my first submission, "Must Have WordPress Plugins For Newbies" because it didn’t render properly in FF2 and/or he feels people use too many WordPress plugins.  Okay - he’s totally entitled to his opinion and I respect that.  On the other hand, if you are of the belief that WordPress plugins are used too much, WHY WOULD YOU READ THE POST IN THE FIRST PLACE?  There was nothing constructive to be gained from his comments - not to mention that he Desphunn it (and I believe even reported it as SPAM because I have only a few posts on my site thus far).  NICE!  I may be abrasive and curt at times, but not without the intent of being constructive and sharing information with someone that will ultimately help them.  Rather than hopping up on a virtual soapbox, perhaps Ed should take this experience at Sphinn as an opportunity to improve upon his ability to work and play well with others.  While I wasn’t personally offended by his pointless negativity, others might very well have been.  I believe that terminating his account is best for all, as he clearly didn’t have anything constructive to contribute to the discussions.

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from g1smd 2222 Days ago #
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That "pageoneresults says..."  experiment seemingly exposed some serious shortcomings in Pligg...   with every new comment appearing under at least six new URLs... something that certain spammers have known about, and have been taking advantage of, for many months. Deleting the stuff from upcoming doesn’t help fix the problem, as Google has by then already indexed the spam, and then holds on to it for many weeks.

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from Halfdeck 2222 Days ago #
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"He was banned for being rude and confrontational. "Heh, if you want everyone here to be polite and agreeable, maybe you need a thicker skin. I don’t give a flying fuck if people are confrontational as long as comments don’t get personal and people attack issues, not each other.

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from Burgo 2222 Days ago #
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Somewhat related, are those no follows on the "what’s new?" submissions new?

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from martinibuster 2222 Days ago #
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SEOaly, I didn’t read Ed’s comment, but looking at your blog... well whatever. I can’t think of a polite way to state what I want to state so I won’t say it.  The point is that whatever it is he told you, instead of being insulted by it you should feel fortunate that someone of his respected stature in this industry reached down to your level and gave you his opinion.Good for you, but please don’t be offended if someone gives you advice to help you along, especially a well respected giant of the greater SEO community like Edward. You should feel blessed.

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from Alysson 2222 Days ago #
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I contend that reporting a post and site as "SPAM" when it clearly isn’t is pretty personal...

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from DarkMatter 2222 Days ago #
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Heh, if you want everyone here to be polite and agreeable, maybe you need a thicker skin.You might be right about that.

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from mike 2222 Days ago #
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"It doesn’t matter. It’s the law in Singapore"Jill, stop being such a sensible pragmatist! I just don;t understand why people think the web is like a country, in that we all get a say, and not a house, where the person who owns it holds sway.You can tell someone all you like that thier taste in curtains is terrible, but ultimately, it is their house, and they can choose all the uglyarse decorations they like!

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from g1smd 2222 Days ago #
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***   I’m still not sure what his agenda was. He claims it was to help the Sphinn community. I don’t personally believe that to be true.    ***<div></div><div></div><div>Words fail me. You beat this drum again and again, and it’s getting boring. Your personal disagreements with Edward all those years ago appear to be clouding your judgement again.</div><div></div><div></div><div>He arrives here, a noob to Social Media, and is surprised to find a site that is:</div><div></div><div></div><div>1.  overwhelmed with spam all night and all weekend (often 15 out of 25 of upcoming should never have been submitted here). In comparison, in the six years I have been a contributor at WMW I have seen a total of two (that’s *TWO*) items of spam.  That’s two items of spam in the whole time I have been there. The moderators clean up, and clean up fast. Coming here, from a place with that sort of pride and dedication in site content, would make Sphinn look like a putrid cesspool.</div><div></div><div></div><div>2.  A platform that is open to gaming in so many ways... and plenty of evidence of it being gamed not just by spammers, but by several people for whom he had previously had a healthy amount of respect... and now suddenly being discovered to be cheating the system.</div><div></div><div></div><div>3. Evidence in Google SERPs that they already are filtering some parts of the site as they look like a "bad neighbourhood", and supporting evidence from TouchGraph that Sphinn is already associated with some nasty stuff; site reputation-killing stuff.</div><div></div><div></div><div>4.  The issues of Keyword and Content Cross Contamination, which he has since documented elsewhere as few here wanted to hear it. </div><div></div><div></div><div>5. Multiple Duplicate Content issues, coding issues, and problems with content delivery.</div><div></div><div></div><div>6. and, once he had started to post about these issues, the incredularity that </div><div>many people here either didn’t care about these issues, didn’t want them to be discussed, didn’t care if they were fixed, and the fact that some of the people sharing those views were already abusing the platform, the site, and by association the general readership, and getting away with it.</div><div></div><div></div><div>I have to ask; where’s Danny in all of these discussions?  People are actively crapping on his brand and getting away with it on several levels: not just the blatant junk spam, but also the insidious "voting networks", the bots, the sockpuppet accounts, and the various "gamers", some of whom are supposedly "respected SEOs" or "marketers".  They are all dragging the quality down, and that fact hasn’t been missed by Google.</div><div></div><div></div>

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from Jill 2222 Days ago #
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a noob to social media...LOL. Good one.

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from evilgreenmonkey 2221 Days ago #
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"I have to ask; where’s Danny in all of these discussions?"@g1smd: Danny has just moved his family to a different country, I think he deserves a few days off!The person highlighted in Aaron’s post has had their account terminated, there is no need to interact with them further. The findings highlighted in his comments were not new or truely condemning. Yes, people spam Sphinn - we remove the spam. Yes, submit.php URLs were getting indexed - although from Google indexing WP social media plugin links rather than spamming. Fixes to these problems were either already implemented or scheduled for release before said user started his campaign. I’ll make no further comment on this post and suggest that we leave it at that.

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from streko 2221 Days ago #
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I tried, Streko, but you called me back here on Twitter...thanks man... :D@jillmore importantly - how was hamburger night?

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from Connie 2221 Days ago #
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I read the thread where Edward (pageoneresults) got banned.  Personaly I saw no reason for the bann unless the Sphinn community can not take constructive critisism.  I was really surprised to find that he was not only banned, but all his post in that thread had been deleted.Now there is a Sphinn post in regard to Edward’s test that have found fault, not only with with the way that Sphinn works, but some weaknesses in the backend.IMHO because Edward did the research  many of you are trying to discount that research.   If a blackhat had taken the same time do the research, and written about the faults of Sphinn everyone one rather than a few would be praising that blackhat.   Of course there is no reason for a blackhat to do that.  Sphinn has become a refuge for blackhats. I may have missed one or two but basically the only people who seem to understand what Edward was trying to do in that research are:billslawskiHalfdeckmartinibusterg1smdNo need to point out spelling errors.  I already know I can’t spell.   

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from IncrediBILL 2221 Days ago #
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"The person highlighted in Aaron’s post has had their account terminated"Ah yes, the truly mature way to handle dissenting opinions.Had someone went to that much effort to point out a problem on one of my sites I’d have probably said "THANK YOU", fixed the problem to stop bots, and apologized to the members for letting something "not new" that has allowed spamming to annoy the members to continue as long as it has.Oh well, that’s just my $0.02 worth.

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from Jill 2221 Days ago #
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@jill more importantly - how was hamburger night?@streko delicious and cheap as usual. Thanks for asking! :)

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from streko 2221 Days ago #
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@streko delicious and cheap as usual. Thanks for asking! :)@Jill thats all that f’n matters, a good damn cheap burger. screw the haters, screw the drama - gimmie a good hamburger at a good price.

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from mike 2220 Days ago #
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"Ah yes, the truly mature way to handle dissenting opinions."As oppossed to so many fora who never ban anyone :rollseyes:The proper way to deal with obstinate peoiple is however the owner of a venue so chooses. Some choose to ban, others to conjole, and others to not care. Who has the right to argue what others should / shouldn’t do? Certainly not anyone who doesn’t have a vested interest in a venue.

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from Jill 2220 Days ago #
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Ah yes, the truly mature way to handle dissenting opinions.For the millionth time, the account being terminated here (according to the mods/admins) had nothing to do with dissenting opinions. If you read p1r’s posts here, it was not the disagreement that was a problem. It was his presentation. Please look at other topics here at sphinn. Do you see agreement in all of them? In those where you don’t see agreement, do you see people getting banned? I didn’t think so.

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from Halfdeck 2220 Days ago #
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"it was not the disagreement that was a problem. It was his presentation."So says the admins. I’m all for banning more members for lousy "presentation."BTW I find it interesting that after a Sphinn mod staunchly defended the practice of using bots to vote up legit submits, bhartzar’s account was quietly terminated.

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