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Ann Smarty covers Majestic SEO: "A new backlink analysis service allowing for the exhaustive backlink report that can (potentially) be a fully legitimate competitor of and a great alternative for Yahoo! SiteExplorer."
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from Jeeb90 2236 Days ago #
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Looks like a nice tool. But is it really the most advanced as it bills itself? Seems to share a lot of the features with the Jim Boykin tools.  Not knocking this analysis tool at all...just wondering if it was fair for them to call themselves the "most advanced"

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from MajesticSEO 2235 Days ago #
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Hi Jeeb90, just a quick note here - it is Ann Smarty’s words "most advanced backlink analysis tool", rather than our own. The best way to check that would be to test our tool (your own sites are free) - almost all backlink analysis tools query Google/Yahoo for backlinks only getting a small fraction of them and usually not the most valueable ones, our tool does not depend on these search engine as we have actually build our own backlinks database that is pretty advanced and getting better.

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from DarkMatter 2235 Days ago #
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just tried out the free report and it’s pretty good. don’t have time to really dig into it but I like it!

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from incrediblehelp 2235 Days ago #
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Have you seen the cost for domains?  Completely ridiculous.  Sure the first one is free, but then if you want another one it is like $2-3-400

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from MajesticSEO 2235 Days ago #
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incrediblehelp: the domain that you verify are free (not just the first one - you can have more if you want), the price in credits depends on how big domain (starting at 0.5 credits) is - some domains have got millions or even billions of backlinks, we do not just keep top 1000 - we keep them all, so this increases processing costs greatly (but allows much more complete data). Bear in mind that the price of domain includes 12 months of data updates one huge of which is being worked on right now. Also buying credits in a bulk results in a good discount.Let’s suppose competitor domain costs 100 credits, if you study the backlinks and use this knowledge to obtain free backlinks to your own sites then if you get just 1000 relevant clicks over period of a year then mere traffic price of a click will be 0.10 credits. We have big plans how to analyse web graph better in ways that are only possible if you have inside job at Google or Yahoo - this is what the money earned by our sales go to - pretty much exclusively to continue R&D, so by using our service now you are not only getting unique information but also support our efforts in a very meaningful way.

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from martinibuster 2235 Days ago #
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So will applying for a free report on our own sites result in guaranteed inclusion in your database, which in turn can be sold to our competitors? Is everyone’s ass up for grabs, or do we get safe harbor from competitors once we pay you?Also,  do your bots obey robots.txt? Can we keep you off our websites so our competitors can’t access our information through your service? Or does your bot not obey the robots protocol?Does Ann Smarty think through the implications of the tools she is recommending? Do you really want to support dropping your pants and bending over for this service? Come on folks, think this through all the way to the bitter end. Do some critical thinking.

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from MajesticSEO 2235 Days ago #
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Our bot certainly obeys robots.txt. I don’t think crawling of your site in any way affects analysis that your competitors might want to do - in this case only _external_ backlinks are considered, so it is not really important if your site is crawled or not as internal backlinks are not used for analysis: any competitor can easily check it on your site if they wish to.Applying for a free report does not change much - we ask for our bot to crawl your site in exchange for this information, but as I explained above in terms of competitive analysis it does not affect anything really.In terms of "safe harbour", then no, there is no such concept - we thought about it and felt it would be unethical to limit access, so for example anyone can get competitive information on our own websites - we are in exactly the same position as everyone else.

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from martinibuster 2235 Days ago #
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If our site is not in your database, will applying for a free report trigger a complete backlink analysis and thus provide intelligence for our competitors?

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from MajesticSEO 2235 Days ago #
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Applying for free report does not trigger anything - we don’t tell people who applied for free report, this is confidentital information. The only "catch" in getting free reports is allowing our bot to crawl your site - we can’t actually verify it if robots.txt disallows access. The purpose of our desire to crawl your site (most already allow that anyway) is its inclusion into full-text search engine on which we working on - Majestic-SEO allows us to learn relevancy better and fund development of the full-text search. If your site is not in our database yet (and it usually means it is very fresh or lacks backlinks) then you can still add it so that you can see how new backlinks are found from daily crawls.

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from Sugarrae 2235 Days ago #
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So if people wish to block your bot, how would they do so? What is the name to utilize in the robots.txt, because I think I’d rather block you in general practice and only remove you if *I* am the one wanting to let you crawl me for a report and not have me all crawl ready for you if a competitor orders it. Secondly, once a site has been crawled once, do you recheck the robots.txt the next time someone requests a BL analysis of the site and deny it if the webmaster has you blocked the second time around?

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from MajesticSEO 2235 Days ago #
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> all crawl ready for you if a competitor orders it.I think you are confusing how it works. Let’s say your competitor wants a report on your domain: only EXTERNAL backlinks will be used for that report. This means it is irrelevant whether your site is actually crawled or not - the competitive strength mostly comes from external backlinks and if your competitor wants to know your internal linking then they can easily do anyway, it’s just not what we focus on.robots.txt is checked (alongside with unique checking file) during free site verification to confirm that the person who verifies it is indeed the owner in order to prevent competitors getting free access to your site analysis.Don’t really want to turn this page into discussion forum - give the tool a go, all the details are there.

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from Statsfreak96 2235 Days ago #
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I followed this project since one of Ebay best programmers wrote begin this year at his blog an article "Link analysis on steroids". I’m 12 years in SEO and it’s really a tool I was waiting for, after some big SE closed down or minimized their link command I was blind about my competitors back links.I used this tool now for almost two months and it was very help full so far, I special like the daily updates to see where the competition added links so I can response quick, also the anchor text used by the competition in their back links helped me a lot to boost sales. It’s understandable that link farms, cloakers, doorwayers etc. builders are not happy with this tool because it’s now easy to pinpoint and knockout competition who use this techniques by filling in a SE spam report.

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from scottpolk 2235 Days ago #
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this looks like shameless promotion ... does not belong here

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from kerimorgret 2235 Days ago #
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@Statsfreak96 You’ve been doing this for 12 years, but only today do you create a Sphinn account, and this one comment is the ONLY activity you have made on this site.

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from MajesticSEO 2235 Days ago #
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Erm, that was not me (obviously), this is probably one of our project members (if you check our project site you will see that we’ve got over 100 project members), just like everyone else he or she is entitled to their own opinion. If anyone has got any questions about our tool please feel free to contact us, I don’t really want to abuse hospitality of this site - I tried my best to avoid being involved (did not sphunn this story for example) but had to answer some of the questions that were posted here.

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from Statsfreak96 2235 Days ago #
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@morgret you are right I only registered to Sphinn today to write this comment. I follow the mj12 forum and there is a link to the original Searchenginejournal post and there to Sphinn both sites where new for me, I follow some local websites in my own language but seldom write in forums mainly because languages are my worst skills and you can’t edit replies older then xx minutes and I prefer to work in stealth mode. For example I wrote cloaking what must be away because it’s not possible with the mjseo system, I used an other tool for that.But all other I wrote is true; in 1996 I discovered how to manipulate search results in AltaVista and later Infoseek who blocked some months later the sites I promoted at IP level, later others copied my techniques and start to cloak their new improved once. End 1998 I stopped this endless race and focus on more SE friendly SEO till today.Probably you want to hear the negative points so I shall give some:The website navigation and design can be improved a lot and I miss some options like sorting and filtering report columns/data and a manager for the many domains I added.That others can also buy reports of my websites or client websites, I can only solute this by asking all webmasters of the domains who link to it to block the mj12 crawler what’s practical impossible.A risk is that we become jobless when he manage to add all his crawled data to his SE and become popular as Google because he added an option to his SE that every SE user can create his own ranking what make is difficult or even impossible to adjust to all that customized rankings. The pro is here that’s possible to figure out how other SE’s calculate their ranking.But as I understand he paused this project and focused on this back link database to get a better insight in ranking needed for his SE.If you realize that Yahoo need a cluster of 10,000 servers to calculate back links and ranking then this guy is genius to me by doing it alone (with help from distributed crawlers) and use only some servers and handle the same or even more (200 billions links) data.

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from annie7 2234 Days ago #
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"Does Ann Smarty think through the implications of the tools she is recommending? Do you really want to support dropping your pants and bending over for this service?"Well, yes, she does :) and trust me I first go through long process of testing and collecting information before I review a tool to readers (and I do recommend test it and share your honest opinion).No one encourages you to verify your site, you can pay and check backlinks of your competitors.If you think it’s too expensive, well, that may be true but my opinion is it is well worth the money it costs - and before making any conclusions I do try everything...If you have any evidence that these people use the information in any other way advertised (e.g. use any private information), I will be happy to share it with the huge audience of SEJ and Sphinn and warn everyone against the service. I can’t blame people only based on anyone’s assumptions.One great question unanswered (I guess) is what’s the name of the crawl to let people block it if they want (as this is there’s right for sure). I am trying to find this info now and will share it with you.To clarify (again, as far as I understand): by blocking the crawl you prevent it from seeing sites you are linking to. Still, your competitors can see your backlinks (which they would have seen in any case using YSE) until all sites linking to you block the crawl either...

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from MajesticSEO 2234 Days ago #
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The name of the bot (and answers to other questions) can be found in our FAQ. If you wish to prevent our bot from crawling your sites you can add the following to robots.txt:User-agent: MJ12botDisallow: /Ann however is 100% correct saying that the only thing such blocks will achieve is prevent seeing sites linked FROM your domain - the competitor (if they want to understand your site) will be most interested in completely different thing - who links TO you, for this it is totally unnecessary to crawl your site. In fact some sites prevent all bots from crawling them, yet this is not usually an issue in terms of competition analysis because any well developed site would have natural links and it is those natural links that are the most valuable. So by blocking our bot all you’d achieve is prevent yourself from getting free reports (and those will improve big time overtime) and ironically the block itself might provide intelligence information about relationship between those sites.You might think that you are not interested in your own backlinks - I think it would be a bit of a shortsighted view because we include those backlinks that Yahoo/Google would prefer not to show to you - this could be highly valuable backlinks, or backlinks that bad neighbourhoods that can occur when your content is stolen by other people or they just link to you, knowing such backlinks can help you devise counter strategies before it may get negative effect on your site.Have you thought about black had SEOs creating bad links to you in order to hurt your rankings? This is something you can see in your own backlinks for free (as long as you let our bot crawl your site)."If you have any evidence that these people use the information in any other way advertised (e.g. use any private information)"Not sure what this "private information" may be, but we only use publicly available data from public websites - the same way any other big search engine does, the only difference is that Google exposes very little of that, Yahoo shows more via Site Explorer and we only show full details in 2 cases - if you verify your site or buy it, the latter actually greatly limits competitor analysis that in many cases is done for free via Site Explorer - effectively if you are worried about that you should worry more about Site Explorer since they offer free sneak peak into data where as in our case price is a fairly big barrier.Again, Ann is correct suggesting that such things are likely to be seen in YSE anyway - I think it would be worthwhile for people to read our FAQ: it contains some background information that I think is worth considering.

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from tonyadam 1929 Days ago #
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Not sure I agree that this is the "most advanced backlink analysis tool"...therefore it gets a desphinn

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from martinibuster 1929 Days ago #
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Not the most advanced tool. Too many downsides to make this something to recommend.

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from StuartL 1929 Days ago #
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This tool is definitely not all as good as the hype would suggest

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from scottpolk 1929 Days ago #
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The title in itself gets a desphinn from me ... this appears to be promotional and does not belong here on Sphinn

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