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Opening the ’Closed’ InLinks.com Database
Link Building News Source: http://www.nvisolutions.com
Published: Nov 26, 2008 - 07:37 am
Story Found By: mrmunchies 1666 Days ago
Category: Link Building
Recently, with mucho fanfare, TLA launched a new service called inlinks – designed specifically to restore freedom to the link buying industry – freedom from the prying eyes of the grand overlord Google, freedom from… well actually just from Google.
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from Chris1 1665 Days ago #
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What if Google set up a bunch of websites across different industries and purchased inLinks service for these sites? Then they could just hand out massive penalties to whatever domain links to their sites. Goolge could easily do this (for what amounts to a drop in the bucket for them) and really damage this service. I doubt Google operates like this, but you never know...

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from ViperChill 1665 Days ago #
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From the author:"Okay so since I wrote this early yesterday, they’ve significantly shortened the length of the snippet displayed in Inlinks. The column is still wide, but the characters returned are fewer. Good work Inlinks - that’s effectively closed the loophole I’d say. It does make the snippet rather pointless, as you can no longer get a sense of the context of the phrase in question (which certainly did have some value), but it’s less exploitable."

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from Naoise 1665 Days ago #
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It may not seem to be their style, but they’ll likely have some humans on the case. As I mentioned on the blog post, inlinks have shortened the snippet since I wrote this post, effectively eliminating the ability to track-back with phrases, so the method I’m talking about for opening the db has been closed - but you’re right, Google could go on the offensive and break their own rules, paying off inlinks in the short-term to try and kill a few sites off, but chances are they’ll rely more on temporal link indicators to flag sites for manual review if they can’t find a footprint on the seller sites.I think it’s simply going to be a new rule for manual link reviewers: if a link looks randomly placed, and is not editorially referenced or mentioned, (and is commercial?), demote link value. But that’s a hell of a lot harder to scale than most things the big G does.The future of link buying like this will just become like many other ’old’ styles - a level in a tiered link laundry machine (read, extremely effective and low risk if done right).

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from mike 1665 Days ago #
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Naoise - what over-thought nonsense!Steps:Get list of all known link buyers. (already exists)Find current bought terms.Find pages that link to current buyer using these terms.Find other external links on page.Use this new data to find other sites these new people bought links on, by matching term and URL.Go to step 1.Simple, easy, effective.

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from losangelesinternetmarketing 1665 Days ago #
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BTW, this whole "google doesn’t use manual review is BS... It doesn’t take much for them to set a full time Google Guy from india on the case. And now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t think I’ll be using inlinks for any of my quality sites. :(

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from ViperChill 1665 Days ago #
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@losangelesmarketingIt doesn’t take much, but by no means does that mean it is happening, certainly not likely enough to call statements otherwise...bullshit.

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from mvandemar 1663 Days ago #
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@losangelesmarketingIt doesn’t take much, but by no means does that mean it is happening, certainly not likely enough to call statements otherwise...bullshit.Actually, ViperChill, Google not only has a manual review process, but also the guidelines for thier reviewers has been leaked several times. It’s no secret that they do that on a very regular basis. They have way more than one full time guy on it.

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from Naoise 1663 Days ago #
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@MikeNot quite sure what you’re trying to say. Get list of all known link buyers. (already exists)Do you think that every link buyer has been identified and exists on a list somewhere?  Umm, no, that doesn’t exist. Not even close. Reminds me of the days of the inktomi blacklist... but no, there is no comprehensive list of people/sites who buy links, not at googleHQ, not anywhere. Find current bought terms.What do you mean find current bought terms? Are you talking about within some system specifically? You don’t need to buy money words to build pagerank... I call your over-thoughtism and raise you an over-simplification

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from ryanblak 1663 Days ago #
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@mike - Easy and simple, yet flawed. What about the natural linking caught up in this web that your system would weave? How do you determine if they are innocent or not?

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from mike 1662 Days ago #
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OK, so allow me to think for you :)"Do you think that every link buyer has been identified and exists on a list somewhere. ...But no, there is no comprehensive list of people/sites who buy links, not at googleHQ, not anywhere."I love poeple that "know" the unknowable ;)But who cares? That is the fallacy that 100% is required, and amounts to a one word argument: "comprehensive". A database can consist of one entry, so if Google know of one, single link buyer, that’sa da database.All you need to find paid links is:A database of links and URLs, aka the Google Index.One known bought link.If we make the (rather accurate) assumptions that bought links:Use the same link text repeatedly for the same URL.Exist on pages with other bought links.The pattern matching is trivially easy. Find said paid link, find all pages that have the same link (same anchor, same URL) and then find other links on those pages that have the same traits. Triv-i-al."What about the natural linking caught up in this web that your system would weave? How do you determine if they are innocent or not?"*I* don’t do anything. I am a man with a Mac. I am simply speculating as to what SEs might do, and addressing crazy, convoluted conspiracy theories ;)You assume it matters that "innocents" are caught, or that payment is the issue. it isn’t. Mass, similar links that add no value to the algo are. Paid link / anchor text spamming and "natural" link spamming aka linkbait are equally useless, so who cares if payment was involved?Ultimately it’s the wrong question: Who cares if a few innocent are caught if the results improve? This isn’t a court of law, it is a relevance test, and 90% improvement for 10% loss is improvement.Now, see, I’m all for convoluted ideas, simplicity through convolution is my personal motto, but the simplest answer is always the best place to start, until it proves inneffective, like how early SEs simply used the keyword tag, and now they are hugely complicated.

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