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If I’m on Twitter THAT much, I must not be working. I don’t want my clients and business partners seeing me rank as a top Twitter user.
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from 0thelisa 2080 Days ago #
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Note to self: Should I ever lose my  job, don’t go to Kim to hire me. She will check my Twitter Counter and lose interest immediately.

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from cre8pc 2080 Days ago #
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You did notice I linked to you and WBP as the example of a good business case, right? :)  You’re lucky your job includes Twitter time, so get back to work :)

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from amabaie 2079 Days ago #
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Way too much focus on the quantity of followers, rather than the quality of information and even sometimes the quality of relationships.  I’ll risk getting slapped by some of the Twitterati and side with Kim on the whole popularity contest thing.  Some people are using Twitter well, many are not.  It’s no different than SEO in that respect.  And the number of followers is no different than PageRank.  It’s not the simple number that everyone seems to be seeking that counts...it’s how you use it.

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from Jill 2079 Days ago #
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You can’t always judge a twit by their number of tweets. Some of us who do get work done during the day mostly only tweet in between doing stuff. For me, I might check things out first thing in the morning and maybe lunch time, plus after work and lots on weekends.Ocassionally I’ll actually be tweeting work related stuff and those might be during regular hours. But I do agree that I wonder how some people on there ever do get real work done. They probably work crazy hours, however.

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from cre8pc 2079 Days ago #
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I wasn’t really clear in my post, although I had linked to WBP as an example of how Twitter and high usage is a plus.  There are people wanting fame and attention via Twitter who have no expertise and those who, like Jill and many others, have Twitter running while working and can multi-task. It doesn’t distract them and keeps them current.  My point of contention is the emphasis on the numbers, rather than quality, content, and other factors.  Some people are on Twitter a lot and in no way does this have any connection to the quality of their work.  While for others, it’s a big fake show.I’m hoping to at least point out that discretion and some thought go into these "I’m the best based on my scores" games. They drive me nuts because they stroke egos but don’t always equate to anything related to one’s professional life.SEO’s have a terrible reputation as it is...in other industries, numbers and scores and A-list have no relationship to the quality of one’s work. 

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from cre8pc 2079 Days ago #
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@ jdevalk  I’m sorry you feel that way about my opinion. I don’t support your work for any other reason other than your tools work.  Word of mouth reputation means more to me as a professional person, not any awards or so-called fame you may have.  My point is that how we measure and rate people is screwed up and my feeling is that now that scores mean more than actual expertise, how to does anyone decide whom to hire, work with, support and network with?

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from jdevalk 2079 Days ago #
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@cre8pc let me first be clear, as I think I was even in my desphinn: I respect your opinion and you as a person, really, really do. Numbers say only so much. I would NEVER hire someone based solely on their numbers, whether that are ROI numbers from previous projects or Twitter numbers are of no concern to me. I work and network with whom I like, as in, really like, and not too many other people.  <div></div><div>You’re saying that this is a "SEO" specific thing. It’s not. That’s why the olympics are 2000 years old. We want to estimate how good, or how well our marketing efforts are paying off, and we do that by comparing numbers, as that’s the only thing we have. </div><div></div><div>As for Twitter: it’s NOT about the numbers. It’s about the (quality of the) conversations. Just like the rest of our life is. It’s just that those with a lot of followers tend to create more interesting conversations.</div>

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from cre8pc 2079 Days ago #
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From my blog post, I wrote, "It’s not where everyone wants to promote themselves or their business, though many do and when there’s a business case for it, you can usually tell." I linked to an example, which was Lisa Barone and WBP.  @jdevalk, you have a business case, as developer of tools. As does Pierre Far, developer of Cligs. As does Rae Hoffman, affiliate marketer.  Each of you may be high up on the Twitter Fame list, but each of you, that rank in and of itself has no worth to me.  How well your products work, does.Has the Twitter Fame resulted in sales? That’s the true measure for those who use it as a business too, isn’t it?  Do customers or prospective clients go to Twitter to check how popular someone or a company is before purchasing?This is what I was asking about. More of my comments in my blog post.

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from Jill 2079 Days ago #
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Related to this topic, the numbers thing seems to cause some people to even bribe others to follow them. They can win prizes, etc., in return for a follow and then a tweet about it. (See @shoemoney who is currently doing this). <div></div><div>The notorious Jason C. did something awhile back to try to gain the most followers of anyone as well. <div></div><div>Isn’t he cool? ;)</div></div>

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from Halfdeck 2079 Days ago #
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Some people claim Twitter follower count reflects SEM expertise and now Kim claims high number of tweets/day is a sign of slacking on the job. Rick Sanchez/CNN has 42,134 followers, while Graywolf has 4,412. Does that mean Rick is a better social media marketer than Michael Gray? If Sugarrae tweets 1,000 tweets/day, does that mean she’s drinking beer all day and not making any money?If a big follower count is your ultimate goal, you’re misguided, but if a big follower count is just a means to an end, I see nothing wrong with that.

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from cre8pc 2079 Days ago #
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@Halfdeck I have the same questions but my post did more to provoke anger than discussion and I really regret that.  For Rick Sanchez, as a reporter, the high followers tells me he’s doing his job, which is reporting and keeping the conversation going. It doesn’t mean he’s any "better" than Michael or Rae, both of whom are fun to read on Twitter. In their cases, I already know they are credible in their work. They already have the professional reputation and can back it up. They don’t need TwitterRank but at this point, it can be leveraged as a way to keep up with them.  Had I not known this about Michael or Rae, I would have nothing to go by about them unless I checked them out.  Which I would do, but some people, we know, will not.  They base decisions on other factors.Which brings me back to your questions, because I don’t have this all worked out.  I had hoped to talk about this more without it getting personal.  Maybe there’s nothing to see here and I’m seeing a ghost that isn’t here :)  I’m open to that!

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from Alysson 2079 Days ago #
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I see both sides of this argument and think there are valid points to each.  There certainly are industries and business models that truly benefit from having a huge number of followers.  I quite certain that Kim’s intent was not to insult Twitter users or insinuate that we’re all a bunch of egotistical, lazy schmoes who never get any real work done.  I don’t agree with the Desphinn of this post at all...it’s not so much that Kim "doesn’t get it" as that Joost doesn’t seem to get what Kim is trying to say.I follow just over 200 people on Twitter and probably miss out on a lot of great information because I can’t keep up with everyone.  I am big on multitasking and typically have Tweetdeck up and running all of the time...if not for the notification of replies and DMs, I’d probably miss out on a lot more.  On the flip side of the coin, about 470 people follow me on Twitter.  Some of them follow thousands of people.  Is there any real value to their following me?  Not really, as their Twitter streams are so overwhelmed with tweets that anything of value I might share is likely lost in the shuffle.  I don’t follow people "just because", as my intent in using Twitter is to gain something useful from it - not just build up a huge number of followers.  Following people with the hope it will result in their following me, thereby becoming a "Twitter rock star" according to some sort of assessment tool, doesn’t serve any purpose for me. I don’t think the question is so much how many followers you have, but why they follow in the first place.  Are they following you because they’re like-minded?  Are they following you because you work in the same industry?  Are they following you with the hope of learning something useful from you?  Or are they following you because they want to win a prize?  The real question here is: what is your goal in building a huge following on Twitter?  It is to boost your own ego and be number 1 on tools like Twitter Grader or does it serve a constructive purpose...like making money?  I’m sure Rae doesn’t give a crap about her top 200 rank or 100/100 on Twitter Grader.  What she does care about is that her use of Twitter helps to put money in her bank account.  

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from g1smd 2079 Days ago #
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I follow some people because they have things to say that I can learn from, while others just post the sort of banter which brightens my day. Some post a bit of both.   :-)

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from webmastertips 2079 Days ago #
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If someone is clever enough to convince 10,000+ people on Twitter to follow, it could demonstrate proficiency in creating buzz.(Applies to marketers, not celebrities.)

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from amabaie 2079 Days ago #
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@<font color="#186318">SEOAly</font> I am not sure there are two sides to this argument.  I don’t think Kim was saying a high tweet count or a high follower count are bad things, just that we should not assume they are good things, at least not without more supporting evidence.  And that our goals should not focus primarily on follower counts, but on our expertise (I don’t think she ever said we should not expand our follower counts).  To the extent that I understood her message, I think she is bang on.@Jill  Although what Shoemoney is doing seems sort of tacky, especially for purists who would like everything to fall in place on the basis of merit, I don’t see anything wrong with it.  He is trying to expand his sphere of influence among people who might be potential clients or support.  It is a bit of a shotgun approach, and possibly not the most efficient, because it will attract a lot of useless followers along the way.  But, unlike the tuna fishing nets that catch the dolphins by mistake, there really is no harm done.  My two cents.

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from cre8pc 2079 Days ago #
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@amabaie and @SEOAly, thanks!  I wanted to discuss this and feel badly it may have sounded personal.  I try not to do that.  The bottom line, for me, is looking beyond the numbers to understand the story they’re telling. @g1smd, me too :)  Some folks are quite fun to read and I’d miss them.  Funnily enough, since that post, I had an increase in "Followers".  Due to buzz or what?  I guess when they find out I’m boring, they’ll leave, :)

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from Jill 2079 Days ago #
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Hey Kim, I really don’t think that the conversation on this topic has gotten personal or out of hand (unless I’ve missed some comments). Other than the 1 desphinn, everything seems to be pretty civil to me. I think what you posted has so many facets, that people just took what the wanted from it. Or what spoke the loudest to them.

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from nextbrett 2079 Days ago #
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Great post. You can have 50,000 unengaged (will occasionally read your tweet) followers or have an appropriate and useful network. I know which i’d prefer.I think your title is also something which we as internet marketers can run into with organisations that don’t understand how social media can be used to provide real strength to personal and professional networks and also as a communication tool.

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from cre8pc 2079 Days ago #
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I’ve been working all day and just now stopped to check on some traffic and the moment Rae Hoffman said on Twitter she disagreed with my post, everyone had to come and watch the train wreck. Goes to show how much influence she has, even though she doesn’t follow me.And yeah Jill. I think some folks got exactly what they wanted.

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from Jill 2078 Days ago #
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Yeah, well we all know that people are sheep. Or sheeple, if you will. :)

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from g1smd 2078 Days ago #
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@hari001Know this.  You are an idiot spammer. 

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from Jill 2078 Days ago #
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g1smd, I’ve removed the comment spam that was above your comment. If you could contact us directly when you see this stuff rather than commenting, that would be helpful to swiftly remove it and also keep the comment section sparkly and clean! :)

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from Reggy 2078 Days ago #
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Always thought it was creepy that employers would feel it necessary to look into your private life, like your myspace, and judging you by the content. But maybe if it gets you a job.

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from kerimorgret 2078 Days ago #
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@reggy if you put it on the internet and put your name on it and don’t restrict viewing, it’s not private. If employers are not to judge you by the content of your publicly available works, what ARE they to judge you by?

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from warcom 2077 Days ago #
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I have encouraged my staff to use Twitter (in productive ways).As long as they’re engaging productively with people, who can teach them things and vice versa and Twitter is used ’moderately’, then I’m cool with this.As with anything, if they start abusing the freedom allowed upon them, we’ll restrict access.!

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from acopicltd 2077 Days ago #
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I kinda agree with what was said. I know it’s not quite that black/white but I agree with the general idea.

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from NatashaRobinson 2077 Days ago #
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While I wouldn’t hire/not hire someone based on their numbers - I would (and do) look at the hours someone is using Twitter and how "active" they are during those hours.  I still think that Twittering, like Blogging should not be done on company time unless it is a company account and/or part of your job.  And if you are "Overly Active" on Twitter during business hours, well I don’t think your focus is where it needs to be... *(Note to self: Tasha you have become "The Man" - LOL)

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from jdevalk 1896 Days ago #
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Kim doesn’t get it, which is a pity since she usually does.

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