Content Management Systems have been the bane of the search industry from the beginning. With all the programming and development resources allocated to SEO and Internet Marketing in general, it’s surprising no one has developed a truly SEO friendly CMS – but now it looks like it’s finally been accomplished…
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I think this is a pretty bold statement, Scott, that i couldn’t possibly disagree with more - "For businesses, Wordpress is not the right tool for managing a website." I’m sure a case can be made that Wordpress isn’t the right tool for managing ALL websites, but overall. I think it’ll "smack in those nails" with the best of ’em, although admittedly with some tweaks.just my 2 cents
I figured you would be the one to disagree with that statement. JBut seriously, I don’t think blog software with 1,000 various plugins is what most businesses would want to rely on for long term success. I suppose I also question relying long-term on anything that is free – but that’s an entirely different conversation.
And for Jill, who desphunn the article...I appreciate your comment and taking the time to desphinn. I disagree, and find it unfortunate that you saw only self-promotion - rather than an announcement of a long overdue product for our industry, but that’s just my opinion.I was quite clear that I was biased about it since I work with the team that produced the SEO friendly CMS. But what’s better, sitting around on a revolutionary product - or getting the news out there so people FINALLY have the answer they’ve been looking for?
I actually helped write an CMS in ASP. It was not SEO friendly. In fact, the spiders could not crawl the access database. Google loves HTML.
This reads like an advert. CMS systems are as SEF as you make them. Wordpress, ImpressCMS, XOOPS, Drupal, Joomla!, Plone, et al have methods of providing SEF pages. The *real* question, IMHO is when will self-proclaimed SEOs learn enough about what is available on the market to know how to leverage the strengths and weaknesses of each offering to benefit the client? If you truly understand each program, you know what it can and cannot do and you know that most major CMS cystems available today are capable of producing highly SEF results in the hands of a competent developer.Desphunn for ignorance of the modern CMS market!
“Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both.” -Oscar WildeJMorris,If Pixelsilk has come up with something that quickly gets sites to adhere to SEO best practices then wouldn’t SEOs would love to hear more about it? So would the businesses paying through their teeth to ’adapt’ other CMSs. It seems you are comfortable with the band-aids to the mentioned CMSs. I wonder if your clients are as comfortable as you? It seems silly to Desphinn an article that could possibly help SEOs and the companies trying to win the ranking battles out there.Jill,It seems Scott was upfront in his assessment. He was just excited to tell people about it. Give a guy a little slack. Sheesh. searchcommander,WordPress is a blogging application. Although a very nice one, it was built for blogging and it is used for blogging. It wasn’t built with content management in mind. Content Management Systems have a serious business value. A business experienced in using content management tools will not appreciate the prospect of WordPress as a CMS. Again, they love it as a blog, but we should let it do what it does best and leave it at that.It’s a shame that no CMS has been able to fill the SEO need and we’ve taken the, "If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em" route. We’ve become almost apethetic to the point of being OK with band-aids, thinking "this must be as good as it gets" and compromising our SEO campaigns.Personally anything that will make my job easier and provide a better value to my clients is welcome. I’m sure businesses will have a warm welcome to such a prospect!Sphunn for trying to help a brother out Scott, which is what this Sphinn thing is about! Thank You!
Thank you jlanderson!Some of you guys are making my point for me! Yes, you can make some systems search engine friendly…if you’re a developer. But what about the rest of the world? I’ve been doing SEO, Internet, and integrated marketing for 10 years. I can optimize a site with the best of ‘em, but I’m not a developer, and I couldn’t program or customize a CMS on my best day. Isn’t the point of Sphinn to start a conversation? Desphinn if that’s your druthers; but you’d be better served to join the conversation. Is it an advertisement? I honestly wouldn’t mind the exposure for Pixelsilk, that’s for sure – but then I’m also advertising for Dave Naylor, and all the other CMS’ that I openly linked to through two of the top CMS review sites. Seems pretty balanced to me. The point is – yes, Search Commander, you can use Wordpress, and a guy like you is probably truly great at it. JMorris – you bet, some of the open source systems out there have methods by which you can make your site SEF… if you have the know-how, or you want to hire, yet again, another developer every time you need a new plugin or enhancement to your CMS. But if all you developers have the know-how and find it so easy to adapt CMSs... why haven’t any of you created a commercially available CMS that actually WORKS for SEO? Full access to HTML, complete control over URLs, titles, Meta’s, H1’s? One of the CMSs I reviewed needs a plugin in order to ADD A PAGE!!! Are you kidding me? The world needs a CMS that actually works for business. If It’s an ad, so be it – it’s about time someone stepped up and built a needed product for the rest of us! Anyone going to SMX? I’d love an in-person discussion if you are.
@ScottOrth sorry, been off sphinn all day, just catching up.Re this:I appreciate your comment and taking the time to desphinn. I disagree, and find it unfortunate that you saw only self-promotion - rather than an announcement of a long overdue product for our industry, but that’s just my opinion.Then, in my opinion, it would have been better to not "disguise" it as an article about CMS’s and SEO and simply make your announcement in the industry news section here. I felt tricked because I was expecting an article about SEO and CMS’s in general, but instead got an announcement for this one particular CMS.For what it’s worth, I agree that WordPress is probably not the best choice for a serious business to use as their sole CMS.
Jill – I get your point, but I wasn’t trying to disguise anything – that’s why I was open in the post as well as the comments that this is a CMS I am invested in. There are articles and blog posts all over the web that discuss this topic, yet no one seems to have a solution other than WordPress (I linked to some of those as well). There is finally a product that does everything an SEO, developer, designer, or editor would want – I’d rather start the discussion and push some press about it, than just sit on it and wait for it to be found.And Jill - come on - I’ve been an SEO for 10 years; of course I’m going to have a keyword rich link back to the actual product. Why waste the words, when they can benefit SEO? ;o)See you at SMX!
"I wasn’t trying to disguise anything"There’s nothing wrong with promoting a product on Sphinn that Sphinners will find useful, but if you write a title that sets up false expectations, people will react negatively when they don’t get what they expect.
There are lots of CMS products that are se-friendly. Still, I always like hearing about new ones. What I don’t like? I really really hate when a product doesn’t tell me how much it costs right there on its web site. I have to CALL YOU? To get a price? (insert grumbly words here). Sorry, I hate that trend. If you can’t put the price out there for all to see, then you are either charging too much, or you’re just wasting my time.
<font face="Calibri" size="3">Are you serious? Some of you are getting ridiculous! How about this for a title:</font><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">There’s a great new CMS on the market that will do everything you ever wanted, but the article you are about to read has an optimized link that points to the freaking website that sells said CMS. Oh yeah – there are other links in there too, that point to a thousand other CMSs that you are free to browse – but I don’t want you to be MISLEAD in your PERCEPTION of what you are about to read.</font></font> <font face="Calibri" size="3">Just silly!</font><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Read the content for what it is. Check out the product if you like, or go read the blogs and reviews that were pointed to. The title is NOT misleading. The conversation is MEANT to discuss CMS and SEO – and the fact that CMSs are far outdated when it comes to SEO. If you know of so many that are already SEF – then please list them here. This…is…a…discussion people. So discuss!!! :o)</font></font>
"Are you serious? Some of you are getting ridiculous!"Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the last 10 years a decent title matters on social sites like Sphinn and that’s the reason this post is never going hot. If that doesn’t sound to you like stating the obvious you got a lot to learn.
Social elitists drive me nuts.It friggin sux that you have to pour over your copy to make sure the elitists won’t shoot it down. You can’t just speak plainly. Scott asked the question, Wll CMS ever catch up with SEO, to which he answered with a product that he was excited about and shared it with you all.Sorry Scott, apparently this isn’t the place to share products that a legitimate SEO is excited about. A CMS that is SEO savvy at it’s core is not something that readers of an Internet Marketing News site wishes to hear about. Please take that somewhere else.Let’s not have an appropriate conversation about the product. Nah, it’s much more productive to complain about titles and adverts and such and claim that there are plenty of SEO friendly CMSs. Which makes me wonder... if CMS and SEO isn’t a problem, what exactly compelled you to click on the title in the first place and what exactly caused your disappointment? Expecting to find an answer to a problem with CMS and SEO were you? Ohhh, the irony.
If you look over the Pixelslik website that Scott links to you will see that there is plenty of claims to it’s SEO-ability. Seems like a CMS that claims it was ’built from the ground up with search engine optimization best practices in mind.’ deserves this community to look into it.You can see from the website that it’s being sold under a ’partner’ model, as is evidenced by the big ’partner’ tab in the navigation. Seems like Pixelsilk wishes to resell it’s application, so DazzlinDonna might be able to make some margin if she looked further into it. But in this day and age, who wants to "waste time" for margin?
“…a decent title matters on social sites like Sphinn and that’s the reason this post is never going hot”Interesting you say that since most titles are meant to grab you and bring you in to a related article. If you are a marketer you get this. If you are techie only, I can see why it needs to be so much more specific for you.Halfdeck – it’s not that I disagree with you about misleading titles – it’s more that I don’t think this one is misleading. I can’t tell you how many titles I have clicked on Sphinn, Twitter, Digg, and others to be served up complete crap. Yeah I felt deceived, but that happens all over. I guess I’m just confused how you feel this title is so far off – it is exactly what the content is about. But enough of that – I wanted to announce this killer CMS, mostly because I, at least, have NEVER found a CMS that is really all that search engine friendly. This one does what no other can (without extensive developer work). Hot or not - SEO folks should know about this product.
Offer a freemium version that is a free basic one and I’ll test it. Btw. is it just me or are always the same overtly negative people desphinning on Sphinn? Get a life and stop messing up the community.
Seems to mostly be an add for a specific CMS, complete with a keyword rich link to the favored one. Not sphinn-worthy, imo.
CMS systems are as SEO-friendly as you make them. This submit is a couple years late.
The poster has no say on whether a post he submits to sphinn is self-promotional or not because of the obvious bias involved