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Google is using different crieteria for social media, whether they want to admit it or not. Look at StumbleUpon, Digg and Sphinn showing up in results while the parent post does not rank at all. Propeller used to do the same thing but they removed direct links and changed them to server side redirects.
I don't know if you all will like this post, but Charlton Heston as Robert Neville in the Omega man was my childhood hero so a blog as the last man on earth still using the Internet is just plain funny. Remember when the Internet was not all business and it was fun to use?
I still love the thing and am happy working 12+ hours a day, I love it a lot more than Digg mobile. You can only get to the top stories, not the upcoming where I prefer to Digg. No comments and you can't friend anybody.
I guess it is okay if you want to Digg top leval stories, but it is the early votes that matter and if an item goes front page, it is better for you to be on that page as a Digger.
Another interesting development, this blog post has 1 Sphinn by me, but on Digg it has almost 50 Diggs and the Digg item nor the blog is showing up in Google. After a closer look the dumbass that submitted it, submitted the domain, not the permalink. If that gets Diggs later on and a Digger clicks thru and sees that the post is not apperaing at the top of the page it is going to get buried and buried a lot.
Don't make this mistake. Even though many of the Diggers are top 100 this post is doing more harm to the poor guys blog, than helping it. Bloggers 0, Internet dumbass 1. Interesting no matter how you look at it.
Story: The Worlds Largest Digger
Lt, I definitely agree. But really, I know this guy well and he used a mouse. A japanese guy had 33,000 Diggs in a month and we wanted to see how it was done and if it could be done with a mouse.
@Feydakin, absolutely done by hand. What is really amazing is that he totaled over 20,000 in a week. It was the 4000 in one day that got the account banned. Pretty stupid of the guy since he had 20 Digg top 100 as mutuals that would Digg his stuff. Dumbass is the word that comes to mind.
From the blog post: "How does Google know they are comments?"
If feel that Google knows everything. Google knows your site is a blog, it is in blog search. If they can tell you are using a blog platform they can tell you are using Wordpress. If they know it is WP then they can tell what is a comment and what is not.
The code footprint would be easy to denote. Make sense?
Are you kidding me? Remember FFA's 10 years ago? Look what happened back then. I thought that eveyone learned that lesson already?
Spamming social sites is absolutely the worst thing you can do to your Google rankings and the future of your blog. Just constantly submitting your own content is harmful enough but submission software? Big footprint, easy to ban....
I was looking for more from these guys, the results were not the quality sites that I would expect to find under the test terms that I submitted.
In fact my competition should have shown up under my main terms but instead it was low level stuff that I would never buy or even consider. If you search "social bookmarking" it was showing most bookmarking submission spam software this morning. Not what I would be looking for as a normal user searching that term.
Google has already been using "bounce rate" as a prime quality indicator for some time. In fact it is a top level indicator in Google Analytics. Google also uses the bounce rate in JavaScript in Google search results.
Why would MS use this and call it new I don't know. You would think that MS could come up with something better.
@ LtDraper, the JS errors lately come from the Digg reccomendation engine. We did not see this stuff before, until the last few weeks when that option went beta.
The slow page loads come from advertising, not Digg coding or server resources. Watch how the page loads, all the Digg coding is alread on the page, it is the advertising that slows Digg down. Replace that flash crap with AdSense and it would be fine.
@Google can’t wait to take the Digg mafia out and kick their ass....
How can you even consider that Google would begin to offer social access to Google users in results and allow the Digg mafia (AKA bitch brigade), to alter results and get sites kicked out?
If you don't think Google has a clean up plan in place for Digg then you have not thought the thing thru very well. Let's say Martha Stewart pisses of somebody that has a Digg bury brigade of friends. As the current Digg situation stands Martha Stewart's sites would get the bury button clicked on them till all rankings and postings disappeared.
Then they would start spamming her URLs all over Digg until the domain was banned. It only takes a few days. I have seen this happen and it happened to me only because I wrote an article critical of Digg and their privacy policy. If you think this is not going to happen to you on Digg then you are neive.
promote-my-site.com/, nice URL, into web 2.0 marketing are you? The Digg mafia would go after you in a heatbeat, they hate anything Internet marketing oriented. Email marketing? To Digg, you send spam. Do you consider thefridaytrafficreport.com and Jack Jumphrey to be some crappy SEO site? ? Banned as well.
The fact that you can drop off of a Google property and one that already affects search results is definitely going to be a large concern to Google. Why do you think Digg is only going for $200 when Bebo went for way more? It is the Digg mafia and the domination of the top 100 that makes Digg unacctracitve and that has been documented for years by much more reliable sites than mine.
@Skitzzo, I don't want to insult anyone, but if you do not know that getting a high number of Diggs affects search engine rankings then you need to do some catching up. It's all documented all over the place, just Google it.
@Skitzzo, also Diggs (votes) are not outbound links, they are in site links on Digg, and they are a tags, and as you already pointed out Google values links. All the Diggs point to the Digg post of the parent site and then one outboud link carries all the internal Digg links outbound to the blog post. That is how Google finds link value in Digg. It is even documented in the Blogsearch patent.
Skitizo, I am not going to waste anymore time debating with you either and I am going to hold my tongue here. Google finds blog posts that get a high number of Diggs to be of value. The number of Diggs are the quality indicator to Google and Google can count these, it is documented.
Jack Humphrey warned me not to waste my time with people like you and I am going to take the advice of a much smarter man than either of us, BYE.
@LtDraper, I agree totally with you, but you have to agree that pulling those flash ads will get the load time up. I would have replied sooner by Skitzzo just about put such a negative sphinn on my day that I just about deleted the post rather that ever have to read his comments again.
Skitzzo, why don't you just go over to Digg where you belong? The will love you over there burying everybodys comments. In fact after all the negativity here, I doubt I will partcipate much here in the future.
LtDraper, it was good to share views with you.
@Skitzzo thanks for desphinning me just because you disagree with my post. If I was someone like you I would probably care about your malicious activity. Have a nice day and please don't waste you digg mafina tactics on me, I am not worthy of your time.
@Burgo, Too many vindictive digg mafia type tacitcs have come my way from people like this. I just do not need the negativity. Why would I post a blog post that I spent 3 hours writing with how many out going links to support my points? I had to count SIXTEEN outgoing links and this frakin guy is so uninfromed that he does NOT even know that 50 to 100 Diggs will drive you up search results in Google and then buries me over it.
It seems from this guys profile that most of what he spreads is negativity. I would simply like NOT to have to participate in his negative world.
Now look I have just wasted even more of my time having to explain myself to you, someone I respect and would like to discuss topics SEO topics and social media with.
Burgo, I get your point but I hope the next time we cross paths it is on a positive note. Cheers!
You can disagree with me all day but burying a post simply because you disagree is just grade school antics and I will call BS, BS when I see it.
You realize that proneadvertising.com is Saleem, #2 user behind babyman on Digg, right? Of course he is going to parade out the social bookmarking spam poster boy when Digg is in last round negotiations with Google.
He still does not address that the Digg mafia exists and will be after any site that they just happen not to like that day. I published an articicle very critical of Digg's privacy policy and was accused of spam and banned minutes later.
I do have to say in Saleem's defense it was him who broke some of the big "Digg mafia exists" stories two years ago. However this is cleanup control and excuse making.
I have been predicting this for a while and everyone has disagreed with me. Plus, Google has been seen testing a Digg type voting interface last week. Why would they want it? Digg is highly trafficked and they have the datacenters that can handle the traffic.
Despite the Digg mafia and the top 100 domination, they also hold patents on their social bookmarking algorithms. Not to mention the Google buyout will destroy the current advertising deal between Microsoft and Digg, allowing Google to serve advertising without paying Digg to display them.
Also consider this, if Microsoft picks up Yahoo as a whole, then MS will own Delicious. But then again Ballmer and crew will probably just screw it up.
I have been theorizing that Google would buy Digg and use their engine but 3 different sites have posted screenshots like this so I am thinking this may be legit.
Here is another site that is reporting same.
http://justinhileman.info/blog/2008/07/googles-edit-search-results-experiment
Nope not a hoax, look at this on Google....
http://www.google.com/experimental/a840e102.html
It really reminds me of many great ideas that I wasted time on when I should have been increasing the conversion and traffic to my already viable products. You are right there!
Remember video email in 2003? In the end I couldn't even give it away. 2005, YouTube is the hot item. Mobile has yet to grow up, but it is the future. Twitter will take us there, or some other derivative.
My heavy Digg user friends just got banned from Digg for Digging too much. Both accounts were totally whitehat and above board all the way.
If you want to know more about what you face on Digg, Google "digg mafia" and "digg privacy" and there is a lot of documentation. Also, do not expect Internet marketing articles to do well on Digg or anything critical of Digg in any way.
Story: Why I Don’t Like Sphinn
Why waste your time with such things? If you hate Sphinn and how things go, then you must hate every social media / bookmarking site too, huh? Not only does a small group ususally go hot but if you look around you will see many of the terrible people that manipulate things so horribly, dominating most the other sites too.
You have two choices:
Join the club.
Get out.
I have chosen the latter and I enjoy it. It's up to you but why waste your time complaining about it? Either beat them at their own game or..... Find a different game.
Great post, I am really excited about the mobile version. Any versions it is not compatable with? WP that is? How can you Twitter links if the link cannot be viewed on mobile phones? This should satisfy that problem.
Jennifer, do you have any evidence that Googlebot is now reading document.write in webpages?
It is used heavily by AJAX based sites and with the proleferation of AJAX I would think it was about time for spiders to start following dynamically created links.
Story: How to get more diggs
John, I believe that the partent article is what happens to people that do social bookmarking wrong. They submit their own content, then when nothing happens they give up.
Submitting your own content and doing nothing more is how to really screw up social bookmarking.
However, think about this: If Digg has 5 million users and the average number of posts, from the Digg top 100 to the user who no longer participates is 1 post per day, that is 5 million posts.
How can you possibly expect that Google will see your 1 link in Digg in 5 million others as a backlink to your site. In fact if you submit your site to Digg and no one else Diggs it, I have come to feel that is a negative indicator in Google’s eyes. The worst thing you can do is submit your Digg posts yourself and then get no Diggs.
One of my friends on Social Marketing Central wrote an article that went hot on the Internet. He got like 1500 visitors in a few days and 80 comments. The bad news is that he only got 18 Diggs. Now tell me this: Don’t you think that Google, that has access to the popularity of posts on Digg just like we do, would not see 1500 visitors and 18 Diggs a negative indicator of this blog and the blog post itself?
I can easily get 100 to 200 Diggs for any article I want in Digg in 2 days. I do that through my own strategies and participation.
So social bookmarking if done wrong can actually hurt you. Social marketing is about being social, so be social on social bookmarking sites, don’t just submit you own content and expect that this will bring you results.
Another social marketing strategy is to use social bookmarking sites to create backlinks to your site.However, think about this: If Digg has 5 million users and the average number of posts, from the Digg top 100 to the user who no longer participates is 1 post per day, that is 5 million posts.
How can you possibly expect that Google will see your 1 link in Digg in 5 million others as a backlink to your site. In fact if you submit your site to Digg and no one else Diggs it, I have come to feel that is a negative indicator in Google’s eyes. The worst thing you can do is submit your Digg posts yourself and then get no Diggs.
One of my friends on Social Marketing Central wrote an article that went hot on the Internet. He got like 1500 visitors in a few days and 80 comments. The bad news is that he only got 18 Diggs. Now tell me this: Don’t you think that Google, that has access to the popularity of posts on Digg just like we do, would not see 1500 visitors and 18 Diggs a negative indicator of this blog and the blog post itself?
I can easily get 100 to 200 Diggs for any article I want in Digg in 2 days. I do that through my own strategies and participation.
So social bookmarking if done wrong can actually hurt you. Social marketing is about being social, so be social on social bookmarking sites, don’t just submit you own content and expect that this will bring you results.
I would love to draw you into a disscussion of social bookmarking and SEO. Social bookmarking may or may not create backlinks as we think of them, passing on Google backlink juice. I have seen big results as social site votes grow. Ranked nowhere under a lighly searched term? Get 300 Diggs on a keyword optimized blog post and it WILL rank for the term.
If you would care to respond here or on your blog I would love to hear your views.
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