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@Alleycat,
You took the words right out of my mouth (I just think enough is said about the issue on Sphinn). We all know where Rand stands on a variety of issues.
John,
What in the world is Wordpress doing bad to make it third class citizen or a bad neighborhood?
A blog post was never meant to be a permanent highly competitive navigation page. For all the newbies out there: Wordpress is always a great tool. You just have to understand the internal linking structure and link building from external sources to every post before you launch a competitive seo campaign when starting with a blog.
I just want to congratulate Brent for picking the one non-SEO story in his company's paper to hit the top of the Sphinn. Man that is a good SEO. Talk about creative linkbuilding. My hat is off to you. :-)
Danny,
Thank you for letting us use this outlet to finish the conversation
Just be aware that if we can't pull data through one source, we'll try to get it in another way
Rand,
No SEO will ever brand their site with the seomoz noindex tag. You told us a long time ago that people talk with their money to make a strong statement; so the above statement just pretty much made sure that any SEO agency I deal with in Chicago just spent their last dollar with SEOMoz. Wow, that was cold (even colder than Chicago). I am speechless.
@Rand,
This is not personally against you. This is a message to the SEOMoz company, which includes the VCs that you are dealing with. A company's message to their main client base (which in this case are SEOs) is important. You might assume there is a monopoly of data here. No there is not. This is not about leeching or any other issue you have. It is simply the matter of do I listen to my customer base. No I do not. If the client base is not listened to; then there is one simple action the client has to do. That is to terminate business relationship and move on to greener pastures. You are a friend but there is no other way to relay a message any other way given the intense communication that has eaten enough Sphinn bandwidth. Once SEOMoz fixes its stance, then there is a second chance for a trust. Thank you for your friendship.
@Sean - You rule. As a long time SEOMoz attender, I also feel sick to my stomach.
@Rand-
Rand Said---
I do recognize that we are more of this roguish, agressive sort, and I think it's one of the reasons there's a lot of hostility.
Your job as an SEOMoz employee is to difuse the situation, not go to the fire with gasoline. Negative generalizations are doing nothing but ruining this for you. I was sort of supportive of you when you pulled this same tactic at John Andrews' blog and then with Michael Vandemar's blog as Rand could not be a bad guy right? Well I guess heroes can be villains too (yes that was an analogy from the NBC show Heroes). I donot know how much more civilized this roguish agressive sort SEO can get with you at this time. Shame on you.
I hope you had fun with Mystery Guest Rand. In any discussion forum, Censorship is wrong. Moderators threatening people who have done clear logical arguments with accounts being disabled after the fact is also wrong. Either let people comment on other people's blogs by blocking comments completely or let SEOs have a free forum to debate. Was not the point behind sphinn that we ran away from other social bookmarking sites that hated seos? Sean, I congratulate you for your courage to be the first to comment on that sphinn discussion. As a long time SEOMoz commentor I agree with all your points.
I find it an absolute shame from the SEOMoz employees who many SEOs considered as friends to remain so silent for 24 hours straight both here and in SEOMoz even though they tend to be the most active participants of the net. When Rand first came out with the VC funding for Moz news, he said we will never give in to our VC partners and not be "corporate". Then can someone explain, why the most active bunch of employees of the SEOMoz company (including Rand) remain so very silent about this issue. Welcome to the corporate world, Rand. It is not too much fun.
@Nick,
I am personally insulted and outraged at the moment. SEOMoz's core client base are professional SEO agencies and they take us to be fools. I never ever expected such a response (or lack of response period) from the Moz Bunch (the most outspoken group that go over and over about the Google hypocracy). I can see Matt Cutts laughing from his seat now.
@DanThies
Can you give me one single reason why a company who keeps their "Plural" UAs secret honor a third party UA or the fact that we actually know 100% that they do honor it after they actually already said we already honor it as quoted above? For an agency, the golden rule is client privacy as much as exposure. Actually I would like Rand to share his email conversation with you here. This is beyond patronising at this moment, it is absolutely demeaning and insulting. I am done talking about it in public. Going to write my blog post now on the subject.
@Incredibill
You are my hero.
@DanThies,
You are the man as the voice of sensibility.
@Rand
thanks for the reasonable future solution. But honestly being quite helped noone. It is not like you are not liked by most people who critiqued it here.
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Michael I am not against your point. My point is this. Show a fortune 500 company as an example show anyone else but why show a fellow SEO. Just the fact that you are the man who caught on to Guy's tactics (if he really had one as Mike Dammann pointed out) did not mean Google actually saw it before you pointed him out. I assure you, just to be a lesson to everyone Guy's post will have that idiotic visible PR penalty that really does not matter. We all get it. Someone reports someone else some third world guy looks at it and probably tosses the coin in the type of penalty they get. Google does double standards and life is not fair and Google lies from their bottom area every minute. I assure you we all get it by now.
Back in Turkey there is a saying, the one that tells the truth gets kicked out of 9 villages. Were not the founders and moderators of this social bookmarking site the first ones to yell murder when Wikipedia put nofollow tags. Now tell me, did Wikipedia spam go down?????
Not a spammer just an observer of double standard. Bring on the negative votes. Another site victim to the nofollow trap.
I like Greg as an SEO. I actually submitted the sphinn defending him when he blasted at others about how attending this particular competition is a stupid idea (disclaimer: I am not part of it either) and that Google would be watching the competition. When an A class SEO becomes a hypocrat, with all due respect, as a matter of principal, this story just like the previous story needs to be Sphinned.
Again, Greg is a genius SEO and I never met him face to face just emails. Just wanted to explain why I sphinned this particular story.
When the penalized site has over 140000 pages, and 99.9 percent of those pages become a pr0 or gray barred and simply dont rank anymore, I call it penalized. Banned was the wrong word but when Greg first wrote that story, the website was not ranking anywhere, Within 24 hours the -30 penalty was lifted but the PR drop penalty that hit other directories still remains.
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