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DP Coop is not so powerful as it is described by Blogstorm. It operates only several millions of links. There are far more powerful link networks out there.
When buying (I mean renting) links you can delete all your thousands of links with 1 click of a button. So the title is totally wrong.
Sebastian, those "trackable" links work great for Google. It's the only thing that matters.
Sebastian, the SERPs stay there for many months if you know what you are doing. You are now acting like Google's agent promoting FUD but the fact is: paid links work. (In fact, they will work -it's just a matter of price - even if 95% of paid links will be devalued but Google can now discover only a fraction of this).
You would be surprised, but the day Google removes toolbar pr will be the happiest day for us, the link sellers, who sell 1.5 mln links a day.
Link buying works no matter how automated it is and Google has nothing to do with it. Automation just helps to save our time.
This assumes that a paid link can't be editorial link, but it's not true - it can, if a webmaster can manually choose from a long list of advertisers the most relevant to his page.
Halfdeck, you just don't understand what you are talking about. Sites on identical IPs - lie. Sitewide links - lie. "They're no longer ranking for those terms" - lie."As far as I can tell, TNX is already penalized on Google. I've looked at some of their crappy backlinks as well. Not someone I'd buy from. You're talking about buying links from a network of 1000+ sites, many of them on identical IPs. You're also talking about site wide links, randomly scattered across the network, though each website hosts dozens if not hundreds of paid links. More paid links per site, more problems.
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Well, for a week or two, they were ranking #1 for [text link ads] and other related terms. They're no longer ranking for those terms."
Halfdeck,
I can tell you again, we did not use our network to promote TNX - all sites that you listed are perhaps a crappy blog network from one of the offers on DP - we don't accept such sites to TNX - we accept only websites for humans.
The TNX thread which we promoted is #1 for term "text link ads" in Google and in top10 for "buy links", "sell links", etc.
And we have NEVER sold sitewide links - we sell links from individual pages to different advertisers, most advertisers buy 1 link on 1 page per site.
As for short term results, I highly doubt that'll work with TNX links since their network is pretty transparent to Google, that means participating pages don't pass any link juice. You'd get some traffic, but no link love. Probably it's not even usable for sole indexing purposes.
Sebastian, you have no facts, just doubts. We have 500 000 (half a million) pages in our network with Pagerank (recently updated) higher than 0 (up to 7). They pass a great link juice. Every day the power of our network only increases, as 150-200 new websites enter the Network.
Fact remains if your linking tactic is bulletproof, TNX would be still #1 for [text link ads].
We are #1 for this term, even after Matt Cutts manually edited the SERPS as he did with TLA. He did it because we are a link broker, so if you client's site is a link broker, please don't buy links at TNX ))
Zonk, just because a page shows a toolbar PageRank that does not mean that all links respectively particular links pass PageRank. Google doesn't lower the toolbar PR for *all* pages selling PageRankSebastian, Google can't detect most paid links - even human can't recognize that our links are paid in many cases - because we have 1 link on a page by default, webmaster can choose most relevant link to the content of the page, links stay there for months, there is a text in front and after the link and no footprints.
Johnweb, I'm sorry you don't understand that with every new outbound link from your page you give less link juice and pagerank to your internal pages.
JohnWeb, so you think that a page can't pass pagerank to internal pages?
AndyBeard: "One linking service I don't want to write about first of all sent me 2 cut and paste messages via my contact form, both of which I ignored.Andy, why did you reject the offer? We ordered you a negative review and paid $165 at PayPerPost. You could write what you think. Please don't say you don't have time or are not interested - buying links and page rank is one of your favourite subjects. We also asked you to use "nofollow" links in case you are scared of google's PUD.
Then they tried to buy their way in with a payed review order that I rejected in about 2 minutes".
It's a pitty, that nothing has been said about automating the process of getting inbound links from millions of pages... Which is now one of the main parts in SEO.
Pagerank can be lowered automatically because of adding to the site several outbound sitewide links. Sitewide links drain lots of PageRank from every page. This may reduce your PR because more PR could have flown to your deep pages and then returned to your main page.
This time you forgot to provide a link to a place where they can buy these millions of links ;)
"Google has a tool in the Google Toolbar called PageRank, and this tool will show you how valuable Google believes your site to be from a linking and community perspective. Sites are ranked on a scale of 1-10 in bell-shaped curve fashion."
Error - a site doesn't have PageRank. Only a page does. Of course, you know it, but many forget about it... and buying links on PR 0 deep pages of authority sites can be a very effective sollution.
"The hard part of the SEO's job is getting the right anchor text pointing to the right pages… and it's made even harder when you try to combine this type of linking building with the first kind. People trying to do two different jobs with the same tool are the reason why the price of a "PR7 text link" is so high".
Do you really think it is that hard? Have you heard of this link building system: http://www.tnx.net? It can be done with just few clicks.
"you need more than those links to maintain your position"
We haven't used even a 0.1% of our inventory to achieve this. It's not about ru-links, it's about links on individual pages. And this links can't be replicated, because you can't choose sites or pages where you want to place a link.
>All he knew was he'd paid thousand of dollars for a web-based business, and he was excited because he'd been told that he could build some links to his new site and end up ranking very well, and his web business would generate a nice income for him.
Why not give him what he wants? He needs links and you can't get them naturally - buy them. The client will get his ranking and be happy.
>> Uneditorial paid links can easily be replicated if your competitor can match / exceed whatever money you have in your bank account.
This is true if only your competitor uses the same link buying scheme and anchor texts that you use. Your competitor can not know of places were you get the needed amount of links so cheap. You can buy several thousands of links (of course, controlling link placement speed not to get penalized) for a price of just 1 sitewide link at Text-Link-Ads and your competitor will not be able to do anything if he doesn't know HOW you buy them.
> If the product you're selling sucks, then there's no point in trying to market it.
The fact is you can't tell 100% if it sucks or not, before you try. May be it is just what is needed for average consumer, and may be all other products that are now in Google's top10 are even worse.
It doesn't really matter if you sell PageRank or not.
You may have written some thinks about Google that Matt Cutts didn't like. Google can ALWAYS find a reason for a site to be pessimized.
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