mikemurray
Kurt's a good guy - he takes the topic pretty seriously. And his piece makes it clear that it take a lot of effort - but payoffs are available. Thanks for your feedback.
It's a good reminder about all of factors you need to consider and can actually do something about. Nice job.
Heck, if I were MSN, I'd charge even more money considering customers will benefit from the inside scoop. Maybe they'll offer a special - "if our efforts don't help you rank on MSN but boost your Google rankings, we'll give you a rebat." If a company like MSN doesn't make enough money in one area, it goes somewhere else like SEO. Maybe they'll invest their profits into a better search engine or find a way to get more searchers to use it. Have to run to check out the latest "SEO service offerings" at Circuit City. Or was that Bob Evans?
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I think you mean testing any unique text to see if it ranks...we quickly found some decent terms that made the top 30 (not top 10)...any string seems to rank...and the snippets are coming right from the stuffed keywords...the snippets are often don't even make sense because the stuffing was just a string of keywords - no one even bothered with commas...who cares when you can't be seen I guess. Thanks for the comment and letting others know about the article.
Danny brought up good points - that the website could be ranking for any number of reasons - domain age, links, anchor text. Given the amount of times the overstuff comment tags appear - every page with hundreds of keywords - it may be difficult to tell the real source of ranking influence. I'll do some other tests with search terms buried in the comment tags that don't seem well-supported by the content, title and inbound anchor text. We've already done that to an extent - unqiue text in the comment tag (i.e. unique to the tag text and not the site) does rank and reflects that the tag is crawled and used. The surprising use of the comment tag text as the snippet is another sign of its influence.
Thanks for the feedback; wish I could be more up front about what we found - but who wants to make lawyers rich? Some of the rankings aren't great, but the amount of text has us wondering what influence may be there for any number of keywords.
Nice collection; good find. One of the comments on the article questioned the value of the sites, but I can see their use for some assessment.
I appreciate scottpolk's view...can't get too excited yet, but I appreciate the advances that are being made. Worth watching.
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I like how it keeps everything in perspective. It's a model in that sense too. Unfortunately, we come across websites and uncooperative marketers who really don't have anything distinctive to say or share. But this concept works well for those who do and those who are willing to make some web/marketing changes to establish their expertise while connecting with users. Nice job.
Thanks for sharing with this community. Our whole industry needs to know about these folks. Of course, it's just an arrest. There's always the fun court date...and the possibility of a book deal based on prison life...
I think it's worth the occasional exercise...to see "friends" profiles. At a corporate level, I don't know what you can really do.
On a personal note, my wife and I knocked my son off My Space 2 years ago because we got tired of his "friends' " language and junk like "if you were going to commit suicide what method would you use?" and "if you were a bottle of alcohol what would it be?"
I like Jennifer's comment about religion. Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to include religious references in a Facebook profile meant to be used for professional/corporate purposes. That said, having a separate Facebook profile to discuss religion is an entirely different matter. Seems silly to have two profiles, but that's a way to respect an employer even though both profiles inevitably will be linked by the same friends.
Matt Keough here at Fathom SEO also raised some good points while posting about Jennifer's piece:
http://www.fathomseo.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/03/antisocial-media/
"While I certainly understand her concern, I don’t share it completely. For starters, I do think that anyone sophisticated enough to be poking around Facebook (pun intended) on a reconnaissance mission might be hip enough to know that folks “friend” each other for many reasons and may be a little more indiscriminate than they are in real life. Although usually called “friends”, there is an understanding that a social media friend is not really a true blue friend, right?
Secondly, just by looking at your profile they probably get a fair idea of your interests if you have developed it to any extent. If you have not developed your profile, and they are using your tertiary connections as a surrogate for your values - I question their judgment."
Another great find by you. A lot of people will like this...thanks for sharing it. I especially like the part about seeing if it's been submitted.
Thanks for posting it. It looks like it had some sage advice. They key: getting involved.
We call it ditch-digging on our zone, but snowplows, I kind of like that. Well, I hate what they do to my driveway, but I get the going back part. Nice example. A refreshing take amid a busy day.
I guess if Google isn't writing the content, it's still honoring its mission to "organize the world's information" as opposed to "organize the world's and Google's information." I doubt it will take flight - not in the proposed format. If it does at some point, I hope the exercise helps develop spam defenses rather than encourage another Wild Wild West for spam enthusiasts. Just because it's a Google toy, will that mean Knol will rank #1 for everything or will Knol have to follow all of the ranking rules (like that would ever happen)? A huge downside of Knol is that the content could be lame - just like you find all around the Internet. I don't write as often as I should, but time and circumstance get in the way. Mostly, I only write when I have something to contribute. Will knol pages be drivel or insightful. My money is on the former.
Excellent list...good find. Glad someone grouped them. I;m a big fan of Serph (blog/buzz checking).
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I like the original article and the initial reactions. The politicians could be just a tad busy doing something else other than keeping up with Digg. Given their roles, I have no problem with others stepping up to the plate to make them appear active. But they could comment more often and encourage writers to respect the Digg community and comment on other topics. The low number of their friends looks odd even for the old timers who might be out of touch. Even if they are, surely tens of thousands of young Democrats and Republicans who could be friends. In the final analysis, the level of Digg participation (or lack of it), including comments and friends won't be any indication of how the election plays out.
Maybe they work two jobs so they can learn what they need to to make money on their own. Or, maybe their home activity helps them do a better job at work. Interesting post.
Pretty insightful. Thanks for passing it along. Just takes some creativity.
Rankings are a waste with some keywords, but the analysis is fine with others as long as it leads to an ROI insight. Thanks for your comment.
Excellent find with great comments on each to boot...glad I had the chance to meet you at SES during the Tuesday lunch...
Mike Murray
I think any outcry will prompt Newsvine to adjust its practices but I'm not sure they're improve their communications. It's worth exploring these entities, but they are vulnerable. Maybe it's the degree that they're used that will provide the most value. Clients should benefit from other links you've developed.
I imagine the 5% would be higher if you factor all of the web properties search really touches. Regardless, businesses apart from search can really benefit from the vast ways people spend their time online. The tough part is picking the right places, but it's not difficult to test out some of them. I picked the 5% study because I thought some people in our field might consider it low. From a pure search engine vantage point, it's not surprising considering it's just a starting point for many people.


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