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It's interesting to see it all in the context of the web. Up until this announcement the message was certainly gaining mindshare - Flash sucked for search rankings. (unless you had a good seo that is)
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Flanchors - heh pulling a flanchor, v funny.
James @ Latitude has an interesting slant on the whole flash thing
http://sphinn.com/story/56947
There are times when I sphinn my own stuff too; on most occassions, the whole point in publically saying x y or z is to promote discussion/stimulate debate.
That said, I much prefer it when my stuff is sphunn by better branded sphinners, simply because it then gets more attention.
Taking me out of context aside, it would have been a little off had I said !You want your post to look as unnatural as you can get it.
The bigger point was Jill that the whole paid gig could be delivered a whole lot better, where's the harm in commenting on that I ask?
SIGH
I think it wasn't the best mod in the world either. Still, retrospect and all that. Who else never made a mistake? Sphinns loss for sure. Lessons learnt no doubt.
Wikia didn't illuminate too many neurons in my cannister either, at its heart its nutch very much at the moment. It'll be interesting to look at it again in a few months.
How long before we see wikipedic cross pollenation and integration me wonders? And if/when that does occur, then how long after that until we see a diminuation in Wiki SErP performance? Unless perhaps, they use Google as a preferred ad partner...
Weird - I received a trackback on this but no mention in the piece itself....anyway, moving on, nice recap of what will continue to be a thorny and contentious topic.
Google has become the dog, content providers and webmasters are now the tail. That's quite an achievement really.
Happy New Year!
I'd ignore them too Jeff. I too once had a neg review on my SU account from someone who objected to my reaction to her negative comment, who then followed it up privately in an email that betrayed her soul for the dark place that it was.
SEO for some it seems, still has that snakeoil like connotation that some people will feel more than happy to jump on and say hey, look at this evil guttersnipe.
Best ignored if you ask me, anyone who knows your SU profile knows the true score of the matter.
Story: Is Google The New Terrorist?
I think the lady echos many of the sentiments that a lot of everyday bloggers are feeling these days.
People like Andy beard have asked all manner of reasonable questions on this topic and all he gets is stonewall.
On the reinclusion thing. Why is it an aspect of reconsideration that you have to admit to some 'wrong doing' like some belly crawling snake? Forgive me my lord, for I have sinned.
Why does Google think that it has a right to shape the Internet to its own commerical whims and needs? What about respect for the people who create the content, the very people who supported them in their infancy?
How is it that such an infintessimally small number of people can provoke such austere actions of defamation and disrespect?
This is 2007 not 2001. Isn't about time that their algo matured to a point whereby the actions of a link reference here there or anywhere else had a lesser impact? Haven't they seriously grabbed enough user behaviour to be able to decide whether link x is of greater value than say link y and just ignore it? How many millions of user actions have been caught and flitered and studied through adsense and analytics? How many link growth patterns, how many natural language filter extrapolations. How many semantic text graph references does it take to differentiate a piece of crap from a piece of not so crap?
Isn't really about time that this multi billion dollar baby grew legs and moved on? WTF are all those PHD's doing there, besides drinking champers and getting fat perhaps?
To many, Google look like a bully, that's a fact. To many others it doesn't. That's a fact too.
If you happen to find yourself in the whitey white club with your unblemished I'm fab cos I love Google and Google loves me and they always will cos Im a good boy and know how to behave myself and lovedy love love the great jolly green google giant in the internet sky, then...whoopeee you, I'm glad that you have such faith and commitment to a company of profit driven individuals. I'm sure they have your best interests at heart too. One day when they move the goalposts again and you find yourself in the dog do do, then all i can say is you'll have my sympathy too, cos change those guidelines they will, that's about the only safe bet you can bet on.
That's a bizarre post (Matts original). It seems almost that Matt is taking Aarons G dings personally, why else would he personalise this in the way he did? Maybe it was a safeish attempt at hitting back on all the negative publicity they've had lately;albeit in our little pond :S
Matt's a likeable guy, Google are lucky to have him. A less respected figure would get a far less comfortable ride. If Matt had a lot of his work trashed, in his view unreasonably, then perhaps he'd be a little more attuned as to why people get fired up over this stuff.
>That navbar flicking backwards and forwards between one line with 6 entries and two lines with 4 + 2 entries is very very annoying.
g1smd - good call , sorted.
Having just recovered from some serious website droop, i know only too well the importance of this, viagra hosting company anybody? ;)
Damn, just my luck, a story goes hot and the server that hosts it decides to fall over and go wonky!
Personally, I'm more than happy to both ask and be asked to Sphinn stuff.
This isn't some cosy little club where we are all nice to each other thatexists for the purpose of just existing. It exists to talk about and discuss issues related to Internet marketing no?
I agree with what most of what Marty said in that for me most of this is about connecting and marketing and networking and business. It's about getting stuff that we want to the front page of the Gig, for whatever reason.If we can get enough people to agree with us, we win, if we don't then we have falied or have been too lazy to get out there and make it happen,in fact we might as well of not bothered in the 1st place.
To expect something to just sit there and get sphunn is a little like expecting a tin of tomatoes to just leap off of the shelf and sell themselves. They wont and they dont. They are packaged and promoted to the right place on the shelf. Once sampled they'll either get a repeat buy or get shunned in favour of something a little more tastier.The point is though that without a initial push without a person or two pushing them then noone will ever know about them.
If I a find a nice product I'll tell my friends about them, I kinda figure that thats what my Sphinn friends and SU friends and Digg friends are for. Where I can I'll help them, not always but most times, its really no big deal to use a few seconds of my time to help out.
Well said Jill.
Like SEO is a part of SEM, SMM is a subset of the same.
My experience of SMM echo's that of your own, I've gained new subscribers and found that the visitors i had, floated around but didn't stay too long - existing subs and search engine visitors tend to stay longer.
I think you help illustrate that for the moment, there just isn't a substitute out there for query driven traffic, from users in search mode.
The king is dead, long live the king.
I enjoyed MG's blog post, a kind of a "There you go you ass, just a few reaons why SEO is a good thing you know nothing douchebag..."
OTOH, Mr Calacanis wins again, here we are blah blah blahing.
All communities like to have a bad guy or two to throws stones at and boo upon. JC seems to be amongst that number of people who like to use Jerry Springer marketing tactics designed to rile us all and want to slap him!
Anybody care to hate me? :D
Lyndon, who said anything about refusing to let Google spider your site? Or blocking traffic, or emails?
>I make money by getting people to go to websites. That is what I do, that is what I am interested in. Google is a player in the space which I use to facilitate this. If Google makes it harder for me to do this because they want to improve their search or gasp, want to make more money then fine. I will adapt.
We all do the same, you aren't doing anything that most of the rest of us are doing. We all have our borgesque tendencies.
The article asks the question, 'does google have anything to fear from the blogosphere' it looks at the issues as to why google is on on the receiving end of negativite posts and what the blogsphere could actually do about it. A boycott of a form, was one question that arose and seemed apt to ask. Google might well feel that it has nothing to fear at all. Why else would it just walk roughshod and enagage in the recent actions it has.
I respect your pov old boy but to comment in the way you have without reading what I wrote is just plain daft.
No worries Lyndon, Leonard Cohen is good, message me when you awake :D
I'm sure I'm not alone when I venture to suggest that healthy dissent is a good thing.
The whole search engine - webmaster - user - advertiser relationship has always been a carefully measured stepped affair of concillatory moves and tacit acceptances that some things are just a quid pro quo aspect of doing business on the web. People like Danny and Jill and Brett and other Industry well knowns helped bridge those debates and gave a platform for all parties to get in there and express their views. Heck, who was it who bigged up Google in the early days? Who were the adopters, who were the people going out and spreading the word with their badges and search boxes and general love to the Goog. Us! That's who, yet now if we happen to take a route that doesnt abide by some imposed view that helps an already powerful goliath become that little bit moreso, then we'll find ourselves crushed and bereft of any of the collective love that the google index bestows. Cos lets face it, without the websites that it indexes it is nothing.
I cant help but feel that the uneasy truce has been somewhat breached and we are into different territory here.Lines are drawn and erased and repositioned practically at will, that can't be healthy.Where is the voice of we the stakeholders? Aren't we entitled to express a view and be heard? What can we do about it? Blah blah blah etc etc
Story: The Big Paid Link Roundup
What Seth said:
http://www.yackyack.co.uk/google/google-penalizes-for-paid-links-and-promoting-yourself/
Story: Adobe trying to marginalise Silverlight?